two great rivals at the time — wes santee and john landy.merican confidence, he was called the ‘kansas cowboy', and he said, "i'm going to do it, you know, don't worry," and so on. but you beat him to it, and, of course, you also beatjohn landy to this record. butjust before we get to talking specifically about that may 6 day here, all those 50 years ago, just put the 4—minute mile into a context for me. it was described by landy, wasn't it, as a kind of concrete wall — something that was impossible to do. yes, like a cement wall, yes, because he'd done 4.2 actually on six occasions and there's only 15 yards, and so he just didn't seem to be able to get through that. but he was talking about it being a physical barrier, but i couldn't see that. 4:2, you can — under better conditions, you know, better paced judgement, you can break 4 minutes. so it was a psychological barrier. but it was a barrier, also, that galvanised not only the british public, but athletics fans around the world, didn't it, really? well, they'd been talking about it for