ms. higgins, the one that was originally denied by planning, was that the one on the south side of fulton? >> so, no, actually the one that i was referring to earlier was for the same exact pole. and i -- >> i see, i remember reading that. i wanted to make clear that didn't relate to park and rec. >> ms. higgins, who has the documentation so we can see it's documented as opposed to hearsay on the placement of the pole on the south side of fulton? >> we did receive a permit application from crown castle. i don't have the number here, the e-mails with me in which public works stated that was under rec park jurisdiction, but that did happen, so we told crown castle at the time to contact the recreation and park department for that proposal. >> i would like to see that. i think it's very important that you present that as evidence to this board as opposed to some arbitrary hearsay or somebody tells you, no, that belongs to park and rec. i would very much like to see the statute. i'd like to see the official paperwork associated with that, please. because i don't think that's it's fair to the