it was over the union polipolie union had a right to confer over that policy. >> supervisor cohen: how do you reach the policy that body worn cameras -- >> supervisor cohen, my comment on that point is conditioned by what deputy city attorney givner just described as a dispute, and this arises from time to time, not just with this union, but many unions about whether or not a matter is subject to meet and confer or whether it is within the exclusive jurisdiction of the employer to direct cope cone mr. city attorney, i'll ask to hear from you on this. >> i'd say this. i know this isn't a satisfying answer for the board or the public in the room, but because the litigation is pending, a detailed discussion about the decisions on meet and confer and the negotiations on meet and confer and what led to the -- to the litigation, probably best to discuss in a closed session with our office and with dhr. we could potentially link up that litigation closed session with negotiation -- the next negotiation closed session that the board has with dhr and the negotiations with p.o.a. >> supervisor c