it was a minister in the governments of billy brown and how much mitt his father hons was a leader of the anti nazi resistance he himself doesn't shy away from voicing criticism not even of his own party we're talking to him about the future of germany and of europe. thanks for coming in. it's a pleasure. to fund and work with some important chancellors and your close friends with angela merkel. given your wealth of experience to share or ask you for advice . i don't know we never discussed politics. politics politics simpler in those days than it is now an angle america's era political american was . the world has become a lot more complicated there are many more states if you look at the u.s. and other states countries have a growing need to retreat and focus on their own interests. there are signs of dissolution in catalonia the basque country and scotland. one consequence of globalization is that a number of regions are seeking autonomy brussels is too far away washington is too far away that they would rather be self-governing and of course that makes things harder. i'm going to

how to protect ourselves in case we were accosted by debit is with billy clubs and that sort of thing. then, we would come to brown's chapel and leave this church in the courthouse with signs that said, let's my mother vote. we would make our own signs to take to the courthouse. that was practically an everyday occurrence. to go to the courthouse, there was walking into the courthouse, a lot of people were arrested. a lot of times people were beaten in the courthouse. so you never knew, when you are marching on a given day, whether you would be arrested, or whether you would be hit with a billy club. fortunately, i was never hit. i was not arrested. my sister was arrested along with my best friend. i did not go to jail, but i did march. and i participated in some of the other -- what we call significant marches. ♪ him >> the role of the churches was to open their doors, but more importantly, a lot of people saw the voting movement as a political movement, and it was not. it was a spiritual movement with social and political consequences. it was grounded in the religion because of the meetings held in church, they we

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