rudy giuliani, get this, says that maybe getting foreign help, which is ipso facto illegal, wouldn't be illegal if this wit kind of a friendly gift. look at this in "the huffington post." rudy says, it isn't illegal, it's sort of like a gift and you're not involved in the illegality of getting it. >> nothing illegal about that. and if it comes from a russian or a german or an american, doesn't matter. and they never used it, is the main thing. never used it. they rejected it. if there was collusion with the russians, they would have used it. >> we have quite the panel to dig in. former dnc chair donna brazile, what has also been in the mix of some of the results of the hacking. a former federal prosecutor, john flannery. he was a special counsel in three separate congressional probes, hence the bowtie. that's a sign of gravitas. tim o'brien, the author "trump nation," executive editor of bloomberg view, and he has the distinction of having been sued by donald trump on his reporting of donald trump's net worth. and a friend of mine who has been on the show before, steven brill is a ce