emily: james damore was recently fired at google for writing a memo in which he claimed that men areore biological suited to computers than women. do you think that mistaken assumption or toxic assumption is part of the problem? melinda: i think we all have a bias. i think we need to get under the hood, and figure out, how do you create change by designing it out of the system? yes, i think if you are in one culture that looks a particular way, where it looks like only a white male can get ahead, who went to an ivy league university, you will bake more bias into the system. where as if we design a system where there are different pathways in, we look at the environment, how to design it, you look at how do you spawn innovation for women and women of color, you will start to change the system. emily: in the last few years, you have really recommitted to being a champion for women in technology, in particular. is there a specific moment or reason when you realized someone had to speak up for women in tech and that person could be you? melinda: i think, a few years ago -- i have been di