any good negotiator is going to seento this, like tiger, that the north koreans, kim jong-un, discussed it with our secretary of state. why would we give that up? >> briefly, if you're going to argue that it's ok to have inspectors, have a negotiation, have inspectors, isn't that part of the process of denuclearization? you want to have inspectors in there. are also not having it. i want to go back to my optimism point -- you guys never said optimism. i asked you if the opposite of their pessimism is there their optimism? >> be cautious because there is a history of working with the country. don't go in their blind. you go in there, but you be cautious and careful about what you do and what you say because you know the history. >> in the green shirt. microphone coming in from your left side. if you could tell us your name and ask question? -- a question? >> my name is luke. one thing we heard was about accountability from kim jong-un. i don't think anybody in this room would trust this guy, but what about regional actors who may interested in negotiations to denuclearize north korea, fo