>> rudy giuliani tv lawyer, emmet flood real lawyer. from a power house firm, williams and connolly, the kind you go to for a case like this. we should assume behind the scenes he's doing what any defense attorney woulddo, which is to assumehey're out to get your client and you have to protect your client. and he's thinking mainly about indictment after impeachment, impeachment is a concern, but as a defense attorney his main jo job is to keep the client out of jail. so, one thing he's looking -- expected -- i wouldn't say looking forward to, but expecting is a subpoena. because at some point now they're kind of playing around. giuliani especially. we're still trying to decide whether the president is going to go in voluntarily. at some point mueller is going to say, yo, what's up? >> just like that. >> yeah. then it will be subpoena time. >> so, i heard from chris christie who called me when another news organization reported he was being brought in to help the president with interview s gh it were some sort of presidential campaign de

>> well, you'll notice that emmet flood has largely kept his head down, especially publicly. and so if you look at the president's legal team, this has long been true, but is especially true now. there really is sort of a two-tier defense strategy. one of those tiers is offense. that's rudy giuliani going out and pushing the president's conspiracy theories, pushing his line that this is a witch hunt, that none of these agencies can be trusted that there's no there there, appearing at a conference in israel. then you have emmet flood according to people in the west wing behind the scenes is doing -- i don't have a ton of details, but what he should be doing, you know. he's preparing for if the president actually does end up having to testify, he is getting things ready. he is sort of -- he is being a traditional professional lawyer who is as much concerned with protecting the presidency, capital p, at large than he is with this president. and there is even some sort of rumor he may be someone who is in line to become the next white house counsel if and when the current one don

newly hired white house lawyer, emmet flood, this man, and other attorneys are strategizing over how to handle a subpoena. several white house officials told "the washington post" that emmet flood has cautioned trump about the unpredictability of a subpoena fight that could be decided by the supreme court. meanwhile rudy giuliani and other advisers have gun making plans to prepare trump for a sit down interview with mueller. reports indicate that former new jersey governor, chris christie is being considered to help conduct practice sessions with the president. the post always reports new trump lawyer, janes akin talks with mueller james james quarles at least three times a week. she's reviewing the classified conversations trump and other top aides have had. but she's also working to negotiate the terms and limit the questions trump might face in an inte this all depends on the cooperation of the president. and according to the post it says, the flejing briefings have not gone very deep because of the president's anger about the probe. the tweet this morning president trump called t

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i think there's from what i'm hearing, much more confidence in their behind-the-scenes team led by emmethe husband-and-wife team on the outside. but rudy giuliani has been a force unto himself and really has been viewed very conceptically from a lot of people inside the west wing. and that was the same with john doud, who was answering questions from reporters, without the team inside the white house having any clue about what he was doing and the paths down which he was walking. >> talk to us about jonathan, what you have dubbed the actions taken by the president, about, by president trump and his deba club news cycles. as the >> i think the last 48 hours, have been some of the weirdest news cycles with regard to the mueller investigation. it's the been the debate club led by rudy giuliani and president trump. the last night the first substantive thing happened. which was the mueller team suspecting manafort of witness tampering. but last 48 hours, nothing substantive happened in mueller investigation, yet we were consumed by this arcane legal debate about whenot the president has the p

. >> stephen: did anybody-- because the president's impeachment lawyer, emmet flood, was your impeachmenthe team. >> yeah. >> stephen: sure. i've never met this mr. flood. >> none of us-- none of us ever considered that. one of the things that-- if you look at the way the book opens and you look at the questions you just asked me. >> stephen: yes. >> one of the things that every president has to do, if you're going into a hearing, you're going into a news conference, you do what i didn't do before i did that interview that will i groat youn as my finest hour. call "a murder board." your own staff sits there and asks you middle eastern questions than colbert would. >> stephen: i'm the nicest guy on television. ( laughter ). >> and so you will see that in the paper-- in-- and the president will go along, and he'll be just fine. and finally, they just hit his hot button, and he gives the answer that his heart wants to give. and he's all hot up, and they say, "okay, that's answer "a." let's go to plan "b" here. give the answer you know you should." you should want that to happen. a lot of the

from all appearances, trump has some very serious criminal defense attorneys in the form of emmet flood who are handling the behind the scenes defense. and giuliani is to go out and maybe create a fog of war at least to the russia investigation and the special counsel. this gratuitous comment about stormy daniels and her case, when the lawsuit we're talking about today doesn't actually name trump as a defendant. yet, i actually think it will never name trump as a defendant. i think the ultimate goal is to drag cohen and davidson into discovery without having to deal with the immunity that the president would have. so with that in mind, he may never be named in this lawsuit, it doesn't make a lot of sense. we lawyers are risk adverse. it doesn't make a lot of sense to acquire that new risk of speaking out against stormy daniels and her lawsuit and anything to do with michael avenatti. >> and robert costa, rudy giuliani was not done. he took on geopolitics today, specifically the upcoming summit with north korea and north korea's leader. i want to play that for you. we'll talk about it on

trying to question the credibility of the mueller investigation, but inside of this white house with emmet flood now there trying to come up with a strategy for a personal subpoena battle, how does the presidency respond? giuliani and his associates working privately with t mueller team to talk through the parameters of a possible interview. you see them playing defense where it really matters. what happens with a subpoena, with an interview? but of course when it comes to the public war, the weapons are out. >> i know there are other shows on television tonight. i can say with certainty no one had a panel this good to start off their conversation like we did. matt apuzzo, ashley parker, robert costa, dan goldman, my thanks to all of you for showing up and helping us out on a monday night. >>> and coming up, as we approach o fak, more on mueller's late court filing tonight against manafort. more on the president's claim about his own pardon power. congressman adam schiff, the top democrat on house intel, is here with us in new york. he'll join us in the studio to weigh in on all of it. >>>

and that's emmet flood. he made a splash when he first joined the legal team about a month ago.ce then he's been completely under the radar. he doesn't do this rudy giuliani schtick of sputtering from interview to interview. he's been almost entirely away media attention. i can tell you one person very familiar with flood's tg told me on e day flood was o be the white house lawyer workingn the mueller probe, na flood was likely to do everything in his power to keep the president from consenting to havi an interview with bob mueller. i think as we're seeing this shape up to look more and more to look like a subpoena fight, it's likely flood's influence is the component of this that's floated under the radar but that's very important. >> david zirin, you had a piece today tak step back and to betsy's point of heading towards this climactic battle over the subpoena and supreme court. you said donald trump is getting away with the biggest scandal in american history. what did you mean by that? >> i think it's the biggest scandal because it deals with the sanctity of our elections. i

with the president's other lawyers on the legal team, jay sekulow and the raskins and i guess now emmet flood. there's no question -- and he's not shy about this -- i mean, i did a story on this that he confirmed and said that it was right on the fact that he might be a lawyer, but he is absolutely doing the president's political work here in terms of trying to take down the credibility of the mueller investigation and if you look at the polls on that, if that is his goal, he's seeing success. >> josh, let me read you some breaking news here because the commerce secretary wilbur ross just announced a deal with zte which is this chinese tech company that had been sanctioned and really outlawed in the united states for working with, you know, shady organizations and countries. zte will pay the united states $1 billion fine and put $4 million in an eskroe account. wilbur cross just made those comments publicly. a deal has been reached. this is a political sticking point with members of the president's own party. marco rubio, he doesn't want a deal. >> he might if they're going to pay the u

the husband and wife team -- apparently very competent i'm toll by lawyers who know them we and emmet flood is obviously a good lawyer internally. rudy is out there attacking, attacking, attacking. trump loves that. he's made some miss steps, but if at the end of this process what they're betting on is mueller comes out with a document and that that document immediately becomes a political document. republicans rally around trump, democrats call for impeachment or whatever they do. if that is the outcome, if that is the outcome, if there is not something that pulls over more republicans, that is a giant victory for donald trump. >> and that's been aided and ab congress. >> 100%. >> playing out with the gop in ngress where they are absolutely playing into that narrative. >> and going against trump's own -- these are trump's appointees that run the fbi and d.o.j. you have republican house members going against chris wray's concerns. >> there's been calls to impeach christopher wray. trump chose him literally hand picked -- >> look, you have a meeting where gop staffers claim they are go

emmet flood. >> rudy is the one out there spouting his mouth.n, half the stuff. >> would you say that if he were here? >> of course i would. >> just checking. john brabender. >> everything keeps talking about he looks unhappy. did he get raided. he has good reasons. >> all his -- he's recorded all these phone conversations and they've got all the recordings. every time he had a woman to fix to keep quiet, this guy has it on tape somewhere, everything in his e-mail, all there. they're looking through it. >> look, we have not seen one piece of evidence at all that any of this is related. >> because they're holding it. >> well, but we haven't seen it. >> you're banking on making this straight, john, because you'll be on again. you're banking on mike cohen being clean and having nothing on the president. >> rudy is doing a good job saying no matter what comes out, we can't trust anything anymore because of this fbi. >> because of this guy that said. >> the mueller investigation is not leaking. > keep trashing mueller. >> that's what giuliani is sayi

on the legal side, his attorney emmet flood is running it. we never hear him say a word in public.. on the political side, rudy giuliani is running it. this morning, the president himself is running it and he is making a lot of statements about the motivations that underlie the trump-russia probe. you have to remember some of the people involved with the trump russia probe who are mentioned in the report as having anti-trump bias were with the mueller probe, too. >> sandra: here is the president reacting to this, this morning. watch. >> president trump: the report yesterday may be more importantly than anything, it totally exonerates me. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. and if you read the report you will see that. >> sandra: he was asked about what this means for the mueller investigation. he was asked would he be firing him. he said no. but there are major conflicts of interest. what are the implications of this report on the mueller investigation, byron? >> we all believe that if it comes to that, the resolution of the mueller investigation will be political. mu