all the great writers you mentioned jack kerouac and others. you basically locked horns.et's just play this sound bite that you had of norman mayler and yourself. let's just play this. >> okay. >> i guarantee you i wouldn't hit any of the people here because they are smaller. >> in what ways? >> intellectually smaller. >> let me turn my chair and join these three. >> perhaps you'd like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect? >> i see mary just amazed by that. and you just busting in it, dick. that was a beautiful television moment. do you sort of miss those days when there were real giants who strode your stage? >> i have friends who say you're always talking about how things were better in various ways. well, the problem is, they were. in that case, i think it's true now. i don't know how you cast the show now. i had another one with both john updyke and john cheever. and that was wonderful watching updyke just sort of purr when cheever praised his writing. >> i want to turn to you, mary, it wasn't just tom wolfe, he was a full-blown literary celebrity, wasn't h

this is jack kerouac who miles davis introduced him to. >> reporter: palumbo shot advertisements andis. >> reporter: the most frequent was ann saint marie, one of the most glamorous models. she had a mystery about her, he said. saint marie became his muse and wife before bosworth. >> was it strange in a way putting a book together about in ffect your predecessor? >> not really. i could never compete with her. she's drop dead gorgeous. i appreciated and admired the way they worked together, the way they collaborated on these amazing shoots. they created fantastic photographs and i felt that they should be shown. >> reporter: born in the italian fishing village of molfetta, thomas palumbo came to america when he was just 12. >> actually, he wanted to be a painter when he was very young. then his father gave him a camera and he was hooked on taking photographs. >> how did you first meet? >> in the early 50s i was a model, not a very good model, but he took some of my first test shots. i liked him a lot but of course he was married and i was otherwise engaged myself. >> you had a brief t