in the government you would have to talk with peter pell who runs the program here but by and large it's sharing information it's reaching people's hearts that's the key so you're also patron of population matters which are briquet for voluntary reduction in human population to try and create some sustainability for people and everything else. i wanted to ask you about how this could possibly be achieved and give the example of china was the only government ever actually tried to address population reduction but they didn't do it in a voluntary way and it's widely seen by many years as a human rights abuse and causing a great deal of unhappiness for a very large number of people. is there a way or is there another way to reduce the human population well i mean again to talk about what i know about. and what i know about the cory program in tanzania around the chip a bit that where we began working all those years ago now there are people coming up and asking for. you know ways in which they can control their population and so we provide all the things that women need. we've had men comin