stephen hayes, david catanese, matt schlapp, welcome to all of you.ident's statement, i don't think i have to prepare very much. people are jumping on it but he's always talked about the relational aspect of the negotiations. he's not traditional about the ways handled it but it seems like he's move the ball further than just about any other u.s. president. >> depends on how you look at it. the bush administration went out of its way to not have not have face-to-face bilateral meetings with north korea. the time it did it, christopher hill, the envoy, did it without telling condoleezza rice at first because it was thought to be such a concession to the north koreans. he has given a lot because he's having the meetings. i think the kind of comments the presidents making have not been helpful. he deserves credit for changing the failed policy of the previous three administrations, no doubt about it. different conversation. we are not outsourcing to china. that's helpful. the things he's saying now, that he does need to prepare, the chinese committed --

debate on president trump's foreign and messing policies between weekly standard editor and chief stephen hayes and michael anton, former national security council spokesman who left the white house in april. this is an hour. mr. hayes: i have known michael anton for about 20 years. -- 25 years. we have shared more chinese and steaks than with most other people i know alive today. we are friends and we have been friends for a long time. he is a former deputy national security adviser under president trump and the author of the widely read essay, "the flight 93 election." which rush limbaugh read aloud on the air. it was a clarion call for a vote for donald trump and an attack on the conservative movement, what he described as the ossified conservative movement and conservative intellectuals. i will admit that i bristled when i read the essay when he suggested that conservative media types were making trump-skeptical arguments because it would get them more airtime. mr. anton: i did not write that. mr. hayes: are you accusing me of fake news? he insists that he did not mean me though i am still

stephen hayes, editor in chief of the weekly standard. heather mcgee, nbc news capitol hill, kasie hunt and erick eriksson. >> steve hayes, president trump had his first retreat and you could argue the first guardrail that the republican party signed on to to erect him and reverse himself. what does that mean? >> it was the public pressure. the president didn't do this easily and this is an ad hoc president leaving his staff and congressional republicans to scramble in his wake and try to make things right. if you think about the white house line on this, the line that the president's supporters took. they went from separating families was the right thing to do, to the separating families were terrible, but democrats made us do it, it's awful and only congress can fix it to the president's executive order has solved the problem and obviously there's inconsistency there. you're seeing the president scramble and he doesn't know what he thinks and this is a president with a variety of positions on this broad, immigration issue. remember he i

debate on president trump's foreign and messing policies between weekly standard editor and chief stephen hayes and michael anton, former national security council spokesman who left the white house in april. this is an hour. mr. hayes: i have known michael anton for about 20 years. -- 25 years. we have shared more chinese and steaks than with most other people i know alive today. we are friends and we have been friends for a long time. he is a former deputy national security adviser under president trump and the author of the widely read essay, "the flight 93 election." which rush limbaugh read aloud on the air. it was a clarion call for a vote for donald trump and an attack