conservative intellectuals and activists like william buckley, the editor and founder of the national warned that proponents of detente were falling for fake soviet overtures and in turn making agreements like the salt agreement that would weaken the united states. the new phyllis lashley report talked about the "fraud of detente." by 1975, president ford was starting to back down from his staunch support of this policy. under nixon, the administration had undertaken the policy of vietnamization, which had combined an intense secret bombing campaign and a gradual withdrawal of troops from vietnam. the problem for ford was that the strategy didn't work. and the aftermath was going to be a political problem for the president. the south was falling to communism after this long and devastating war. the fall of south vietnam to communism in 1975 and the unification of vietnam was a huge blow to the ford white house, right as it was fighting this battle with conservatives over detente. although president ford blamed the democratic congress, presidential advisors were shrewd enough to know t

their news is it's all basically polemicists that's right there's no debate we were talking about william buckley earlier and his debate with the gore of the doll touring the nine hundred sixty eight presidential as attention election that opened the way toward an interesting debate format in american william buckley went on to host fire i and other shows and there was intelligent debate but then i guess under reagan they passed the fairness and media law which opened the way toward the rush limbaugh's who are just totally partisan and you are not required by law to have an opposing viewpoint right and so year and a veteran of this industry did that what did that do it seems my point being that it open the way to this hyper partisanship polemicist fox news drivel but what is your view what you think you're exactly right so when you want to figure out how an industry works follow the money now you've got more and more outlets that are preaching to the converted telling people what they already want to hear that are paid for by brands that want to reach that particular demo so a lot of that because

their news is it's all basically polemicists that's right there's no debate we were talking about william buckley earlier and his debate with the gore of the doll during the nine hundred sixty eight presidential as a dench election that opened the way toward an interesting debate format in american william buckley went on to host fire i and other shows and there was intelligent debate but then i guess under reagan they passed the fairness and media law which opened the way toward the rush limbaugh those who are just totally partisan and you are not required by law to have an opposing viewpoint right and so year and a veteran of this industry did that what did that do it seems my point being that it open the way to this hyper partisanship polemicist fox news drivel but what is your view what you think you're exactly right so when you want to figure out how an industry works follow the money now you've got more and more outlets that are preaching to the converted telling people what they already want to hear that are paid for by brands that want to reach that particular demo so a lot of that becaus

and that's a shift in conservatism from the time that william f. buckleyas espousing it at the beginning. >> i'm not sure that most get this, margaret. i really don't. >> i agree with you. >> but i think it's the leading edge. you know, i've always been kind of on the leading edge, thank goodness. and the leading edge of this is -- you need to care a little bit more. now, if, all of a sudden, the federal government said they were gonna yank up the match on medicaid expansion, they were gonna wreck my state, i withdraw. >> right. >> i mean, that's your brain. your brain and your heart -- they have to work together. >> that's it. listen, can we talk about trade? >> sure. >> another tenet of the conservative movement -- trade. we've always been for trade. >> well, you know, conservatives are still for trade, so i don't know what these other people are. >> they're calling themselves conservatives. when they're in washington, they're against trade. >> yeah. >> the one thing -- let's start with from a point of common ground. the one place you and the reigning co

>> to the wonder and enjoyment of many, i will not be william f. buckley. h a heralded legacy. he is important to so many people and i approach this with a real respect for his legacy and what he brought to the table but i am not him and will not try to be him. >> stephen: it was a conservative show with conservative arguing with all sorts of people-- political, cultural. do you consider yourself a conservative? >> i consider myself a conservative to a certain extent. i moonlight as an l.g.b.t. advocate. i run an l.g.b.t. advocacy organization that works with republicans. ( applause ) we work with republicans and we make the case that freedom means freedom for everyone, and where that really lends itself at this moment in time is to securing full civil rights protections to l.g.b.t. americans because there are still 28 states where you can be fired for being gay, and it's things republicans don't know. it's mostly in red states. there are many people who are socially conservative who would not say i am conservative because of those views. >> stephen: what is

george will, william f buckley.for me, a guy most people, not a household name anymore but irving kristol, who was bill kristol's dad, and profound influence on me, deep and abiding influence. i might disagree with them. i have disagreements with all of them. but those guys -- the biggest influence was my dad. my dad was a very cerebral guy. one reason i loved irving kristol's he reminded me of my dad. a little jewish intellectual whose idea of vacation was going from one side of the couch to another to read a different book or magazine. or go to europe to look at museums. one of his only favorite hobbies was going on long walks with his sons to talk about how bad communism was. those guys for sure. i could come up with some other names pretty easily but you brought up charles. i don't want to talk too much because it is bad luck to cry on c-span. the news about charles krauthammer is devastating and i know charles had a dr. strangelove persona on tv, kind of fry and stern and all that kind of stuff. more decent and

conservative intellectuals and activists like william buckley, the editor and founder of the nationalw, warned that proponents of detente were falling for fake soviet overtures and in turn making like the salt agreement, that would weaken the states. the new letter, the report, talked about the, quote, fraud of detente. by 1975, president ford was back down from his staunch support of this policy. nixon, the administration had undertaken the policy of which hadtion, combined an intense secret gradualcampaign and a withdrawal of troops from vietnam. the problem for ford was that strategy didn't work. and is the aftermath was going to be a political problem for president. the south was falling to communism after this long and devastating war. vietnam to south communism in 1975 and the unification of vietnam was a huge blow to the ford white house, right as it was fighting conservativesth over detente. although president ford blamed democratic congress, presidential advisors were know that mucho of the public would blame him. in the days before the final evacuation, people saw military a

george will, william f buckley.for me, it's not really a household name anymore but irving kristol who was bill kristol dad had a profound influence on me. had disagreements with all of them.. those guys were big influences on me. the biggest influence was my dad. he reminded me a lot of my dad. my dad was a jewish intellectual whose idea vacation was going from one seller couch to another to read a different book or magazine or going to europe to look at museums. those guys for sure, i can come up with some other names pretty easily, but just since you brought up charles, i don't want to bring it up too much but the news about charles is just devastating. i know charles had a strange love persona on tv. a more decent and humane human being, i'm not sure you could name. he was amazing. it is a whole that i don't think never be filled without him in ourur public life. it breaks my heart that he's gone. >> you talk about people within the republican party not getting along very well. only have stuff like what happened

if you mean barry goldwater, ronald reagan, william buckley, what trump is the most effective antiliberal in american history. it's not because he is conservative. it's because he applies common ralism isutsnd if youmodern apply common sense, it fall as i part. i i take seriously the story he tells about the woman that he got to know who had been advised to have an abortion and her daughter was with her as she was telling him the story and that was the decisive moment. give him that one. also a story out this morning that he would contemplate legalizing marijuana. you can't assume that trump is going to walk in the room, having spent 30 years thinking this stuff through. reagan became -- reagan was an fdr democrat and aslay as 1948 made commercials for harry truman and hubert humphrey when hubert humphrey was the anti-communityist liberal running against the pro-communist liberal and reagan became an anti-communityist and then when he married nancy, her father w very right-wing medical doctor, and gradually through a series of conversations reagan began to be more and more antitax, and th

william f. buckleyevision tradition which is bring this rigorous contest of ideas to television for 33 years, longest running television host in history. nobody gives him credit for that. it's extraordinary and that's the tradition we're trying to do. bring back a really respectful exchange of ideas, so few places on television do you get to just be with one person for 30 minutes and do a deep dive on a single topic. >> you'll stick with a real long discussion in depth. >> in our media climate which is so fractured, a lot of people end up going to podcasts or other places for a deep dive on a single idea and that's what we'll return to television. thanks to william f. buckley jr. >> he was a legend as i said, conservative legend. you also come i guess from republican royalty. the great granddaughter of president hoover. >> it is a legacy that i am in the "firing line" legacy. i certainly understand what it's like. a lot of people care about carrying that torch forward and approach it with a lot of honor

never part of the republican party of the conservative part of the movement that i learned from william buckleyo elevate cruelty. you know, it used to be two parties would argue about what was best. we have a slightly different approach but we all want what is moral, what is best and trump's contribution is to say no, no, not what's best. not what's moral. be tough, be strong. we have to push back on all of these evil doers and he elevates that as a virtue and a lot of people like it. >> i wonder if -- i wonder if -- and i know there are a lot of people that won't like me saying this, but i wonder if conservatives have grown so used to mitt romney being called cold heartless murderer, nazi to i could go back every year starting with nixon in 60, gold water in '64, nixon in '68. >> that is true. >> you can go through every year and some major figure said they were nazis or fascist like or -- >> it's absolutely right and just as people on the conservative side are having a reckoning about things they may have overlooked on the right in the past and they're now being honest and saying well, there'

but krauthammer i read from very early age, george will, william f. buckley for me, guy that most people don't really dishes not a household name anymore butter irving crystal. i had disagreements with all of them, but those guys were big -- tom sole another, a big influence on me. the biggest influence on me was my dad. my dad was very cerebral guy. irving crystal reminded me of my dad his idea of a vacation was going from one side of the koch of the other to read a different book or magazine or go to europe to look at museums and his idea -- one of his only favorite hobbies was going on lock walks with his sons to talk about how bad communism was. but those guys for sure. i can come up with some other names pretty easily but -- just since you brought up charles, i don't want to talk about him too much because it's a bad look to cry on c-span, but the news but charles krauthammer is devastating and the thing that people dish know that charles had sort of this dr. strangelove persona, wry and -- a more decent and humane and -- mench like -- he is an amazing m

there is this old william f. buckley quote. people who compare the kgb to the cia, it's basically like saying that the person who pushes an old lady out of the way of a hurtling bus is the same as the guy who pushes an old lady in front of a hurtling bus, because either way, you're pushing old ladies around. that's what donald trump is doing. when he says yeah, putin kilts people, but hey, america kills people too. that is an utter insult for america. we do not do the things that vladimir putin and north korea do. and to suggest that there is a moral equivalence is utterly unpatriotic, and it's an attack on this country. and i think every patriotic american, but especially conservatives should be outraged by that. >> butalso, it's the same thing, though, if you look at what happens when you say fine people on both sides. i know people are -- charlottesville. >> yeah, but think about what you want about antifa. it literally means anti-fascism. when you say people who are fighting anti-fascism are the same as neo-nazis, it's exac

william s buckley come if you think back to the 1950s and standing up to things like, you know, so many of the negatives, but also developing conservatives thought at the time, you could come forward to robert novak in a different era. but i think for our era, there is no doubt that he was a leading, conservative thinker. for me, what an honor to be able to engage with him. he was not one to belittle, bully, or put down people. he wanted to argue with you, to play the chase game with you. for me, it was quite a learning opportunity. it was one filled with love, love not only filled for him, but let me tell you, his love for daniel, overflowing. there is a picture that we just showed, martha, where he has daniel on his chest. >> martha: it was a beautiful picture. >> i think one of the other part to say was about love. for men, sometimes we get a little uncomfortable talking about love. but for him, i think that there was such love, not only for his family, you know, but i think that he could express love in ways for friends, for people who are visiting fox, for people whose needing ment

put him in the league of william f. buckley.'t think there is much in between that kind of refined, conservative think irthat reallthinker that put hip on his time. you know, i don't know if people are comfortable sometimes talking about religion, but charles is jewish. i remember even doing -- where did you go in a tent and have a meal. i remember going to an event at the kennedy center that celebrated ancient hebrew music. i remember my wife saying to me we wouldn't be here for anybody but charles krauthammer. the music was obviously not contemporary in any sense. charles wanted to keep that jewish history alive. and so many people came out, so many were appreciative of his effort. similar coming up on the fourth of july. charles would have me out to his summer home on the chesapeake bay. there was something very special about it. it wasn't just hot dogs and cokes. charles would have us read from the declaration of independence. all of us would read a passage. and i got to tell you nothing as emotional of patriotism. different

through william f. buckley. straight into ronald reagan. what's happening today is an aberration of all of those things. that's fine, i wonder where conservatives go now. >> they are too frightened to actually express themself. the difference between the mark sanford and the rest of the republican actual conservatives in the country is that mark sanford will be okay today. if that's what it takes, if, if he has to lose -- his re-election in order to conservative? and stay trueo the policie beli. that is mark sanford. he is definitely flawed, he's had his problems and he took his knocks. but i will tell you, this is the kind of conservative that is missing in washington today. someone who can stand up. you all will go down together, because you don't have backbones, you don't have a moral compass and you don't know how to stand up to the ideals that you say you believe in. he is. he's losing his re-election because of it. but he's standing up for what is right. >> for what he's fought for, for 25 years. >> i may not agree, but -- >> here's w

no wonder that william f. buckley is national review viewed eisenhower as an apostate and heaped abuse on him throughout his years in office. on the other hand, eisenhower was no liberal. that became very evident in his handling of mccarthyism and the red scare. eisner accepted the basic premise of the red hunters, that there were, in fact, communists that had bored into the foundations of american government. and they need to be rooted out, and this after all is why he put richard nixon on the ticket in 1952. it's perfectly clear that eisenhower loathed joseph mccarthy, found in a mile specimen of humanity but it was mccarthys cruel methods, the destructive faceless personal attacks that eisenhower scorned. not the idea of hunting down communists that might be doing subversive things in the american government, or for that matter, did not score the idea of hunting down homosexuals in government. another era in which eisenhower administration took decisive steps. it's a tell-all biography, people. there's the good and

about -- about william f. buckley. and yes, about the sainted ronald wilson reagan. who mitch mcconnell says, was not as conservative as donald j. trump. lifetime democrat and contributor to the dnc, nancy pelosi, rahm emanual and chuck schumer. that's our america, mika. and sadly, that's our republican party. and that is the problem today. >> it's a big one. >>> coming up on "morning joe," eddie mentioned earlier in the company, president trump seems to value loyalty above nearly everything else. that maybe puts the test as michael cohen appears poised to split with his attorneys, setting up big questions about whether he's willing to cooperate with prosecutors. >>> plus, our own jacob soveroff has some incredible reporting yesterday from a detention center in texas housing over 1,000 kids who came to the country without documentation. one of the first things those children see when theentering t compound? this mural of president trump. we'll be right back. us! all around louisiana... you're a nincompoop! (phone ping) gentlemen, i have just received word! the louisi

just for everybody, that's the acting chief william cramph and this is mayor gavin buckley. >> how are you doing? so the city sends its love and thoughtings for all the families affected by this, this horrible event. i want to commend our first responders for getting on to the scene as quickly as they did and if they were not there as quickly it could have been a lot worse so i have to say it was a great joint effort by everybody. this is what we train for. a week ago we practiced an active shooter training thing. we didn't expect this to happen in our community but we are readily and i don't think we could have put more resources if you look at when's done here. tremendous response. >> how many people have been killed? >> we can't confirm that yet so i have to sort of leave that with the county on this. i'll hand it back to you. >> i'm sorry. >> you have a question? >> just concerned. is it -- you can't give us a number because you don't know or what's going on? >> no. at this point, while we're still, you know -- reuniting people with the -- still reuniting people with families and i

again for everybody that was our acting chief william kramph and i'd like to introduce the mayo the city of annapolis kevin buckley. >> so the city sends its love and thoughts for all t families that have been affected by this horrible event. want to commend our first responders for getting on to the scene as quickly ashey did and if they were not there as quickly as they did it could have been a lot wore. just have to say it was a great joint effort by everybody. this is what we trained for. a week ago we practiced an active shooter training thing. did not expect something like this to happen in our community but we were ready and i don't think we could have pute any m resources of what's been done. it's a tremendous response. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> we can't confirm that. >> scott, i didn't hear your question. >> youan't give us numbrfe how many were killed our injed because y doon't know? whas going on? >> at this point we're still reuniting people with families, and we're iviewing this suspect, we don't want to put that information out rig now. it will come out very shortly. at this point he's the only s