so the head photographer when we started was bob mcnealy, barbara kinney and me. we're having a blast just competing with each other taking pictures. when you compete, you keep getting better. keep getting better, better, better! i have never turned down competition. if you ever want to see what you can do for yourself, compete with somebody. this is mine again. you can always tell who's got who. but the fun stuff about being a fly on the wall is to read the paper the next day and they go, so and so said -- i'm like, they weren't even in the room. what they talking about? so this one i knew that the media wasn't all cool either! and some of them are my friends but those are the writers messing up. when you have to do visuals, a picture is still worth a thousand words. it can tell you in a heartbeat what's going on. as you see, there's some stuff going on. and when stuff is going on, i'm the fly on the wall. i hear everything. but i don't keep it. i'm looking for the photo that says, "this is a serious meeting." >> so speaking of serious, this moment here was taken

>> if communications people did not touch our stuff bob mcnealy, bless his heart -- we are skilled people. we know what we're doing. and the communications people are going to muck it up. okay? that's what happens. and they don't pick the best pictures. we've been through that with them in our group, maybe everybody has a turn, too. but you trust the eye of the person you hire to do the job. bob trusted us, he had seen all of our work and knew what we could do. and we knew what we could do. you are talking about confident foursome here about what we could get done. cali shell and the way she did her stuff with gore was a prime example of just a bad photographer -- i mean, bad is good now, y'all. she could shoot like crazy, get stuff done, tell a story. i mean, she was a hero win to me in the photography world. it is how the other people act around you that you have to make sure you don't act like them. you have to keep yourself grounded. look in the mirror and go, am i doing the right thing? and then let people make fun of you because you know you're grounded. you know when they're messin