no novichok is a military grade and you could assume the gru would be the agency behind it. also they're obviously the ones that were just indicted, their people indicted by the mueller probe. it's interesting because there are people in russia who are saying there's sort of a competition between the services, the fsb as opposed to the gru. whether or not you might have the gru trying to assert itself in that battle and be more forceful, whether or not that's part of it, it's hard to say but it's certainly possible. >> america's european allies, whether the uk, france, germany, they were deeply concerned about this summit that's going to take place in a few hours, even before these late-breaking developments. >> right. and the timing keeps getting worse and worse, the surroundings of this keep getting uglier and darker. what we see in this investigation with the novichok, higher and higher emotional involvement just as we saw with hacking in the u.s. election, remember, the obama administration said as soon as they did their investigation that they thought putin had signed o

and members of the gru flew into the u.k. for this operation and they're the same intelligence organization behind the interference in the 2016 election. they're the main ones acting on behalf of russian when acting abroad. as you said friday, the justice department announced the indictments of 12 gru officers in the hacking of the dnc and the clinton presidential campaign. and sergei scripple served for 15 years in the gru. he knew it in and out and he started working for the british intelligence services and handed over details about them. they have gone over traitors in their own ranks. we know the gru sent their cyber security folks after them and they hacked the phones. there's no longer about the attempted assassination of sergei skripal, it's about the murder on british soil. and now britain is saying this is unacceptable. >> dana: so barring that, what effect could this have on relationships with russia? >> you have to say normally this would have an a detrimental one. this is the one thing that country goes to war ov

in fact both were created and controlled by the russian gru.on to releasing documents directly to the public, the defendants transferred stolen documents to another organization that is not identified by name in the indictment and they used that organization as a passthrough to release the documents. they discussed the timing of the release in an attempt to enhance the impact on the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia, the defendants used a network of computers around the world and they paid for it using cryptocurrencies. the conspirators corresponded with several americans during the course of the conspiracy through the interpret. there is no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew that they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. in a second, related conspiracy, russian gru officers hacked the website of a state election board and stole information about 500,000 voters. they also hacked into computers of a company that supplied software used to verify voter registration information. they

he's responsible for the gru, the gru answers to him. he should just as well have been indicted. >> thank you for your time -- >> let me give you something here. i said something at the hearings yesterday about purple hearts, which another network named for a four legged animal has made a big deal about. i regret using the term purple heart, i never thought purple heart should have been given to agent is to sic. they are strong units defending america and these indictments prove it once again. >> do you think the democrats are to blame for the politicization of the mueller investigation at this point? >> i don't think so. the democrats have been supportive of protecting mueller. i have a resolution, we have 184 signatures on it to protect him from being fired and all democrats have signed onto it, other than walter jones of north carolina, we're trying to protect him and see the investigation goes according to the facts and the truth comes out. all of these efforts with lisa page and peter strozk are trying to show bias, and what mueller

but both were created and controlled by the russian gr you mom --dash gru. with those stolen documents transferred to another organization is not mentioned by name in the indictment but the use that organization as a pass-through to release the documents. to discuss the timing of the release and to enhance the impact on the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia they use a network of computers around the world using crypto currencies. to correspond with several americans during the course of the conspiracy the allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers and second related conspiracy the gru officers attacked the state election board to steal information about voters they also hacked into computers of a company that supply software used to verify voter registration information. they targeted officials responsible to administer elections and sent spearfishing e-mails to people and administering the elections including malicious software that includes criminal allegation

both were controlled by the russian gru.ing documents directly to the public, the defendants transferred stolen documents to another organization that is not identified by name in the indictment, and they used that organization as a pass through to release the documents. they discussed the timing of the release in an attempt to enhance the impact on the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia, the defendants used a network of computers around the world, and they paid for it using cryptocurrencies. the conspirators corresponded with several americans during the course of the conspiracy through the internet. there's no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. in a second related conspiracy, russian gru officers hacked the website of a state election board and stole information about 500,000 voters. they also hacked into computers of a company that supplied software used to verify voter registration information. they targeted state an

it is the gru not part of the russian state?scinating and surreal summit and news conference and then a fascinating interview with the russian president. it let's bring in our panel. mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist. mara eliasson, and chris stirewalt's politics editor here at fox news. molly, your take on all of it? >> it's been a crazy day at a lot of people here in d.c. are absolutely freaking out about president trump declining to have a strong condemnation of russia. they are saying this is treasonous, that he's a traitor. strong condemnation of russia for their election meddling saying he's a traitor, he needs to be removed from office. i think a lot of people who support him say i don't see with a big deal is, there's not much you can do in this kind of environment, but it seems like donald trump of all people should have been able to split this baby and you can point out that our intelligence agencies have come to this conclusion and it's not just bob mueller. that indictment reads a lot like the report

they're gru agents.y of stating that we can name the 12 people involved and lay out exactly what happened. so if you're thinking about doing this again, a good chance we'll be on to you. so i think that message is sent regardless of the fact that there wouldn't be any actual prosecutions here coming out of the indictments. >> neil: wouldn't they come out saying whoopty do? not a one of these were brought here or punished here or questioned here. the same with this latest group. so you're right. we can say we have the ability to see what you're doing. they might say keep looking. >> that's true. that's where the foreign policy aspect comes in. there's a limit to what you can do from a prosecutorial perspective. that's where the president will back this up some with his meeting with putin to say hey, look, we proved it happened. he's been talking about asking the question whether it happened. he can shift to our government has, you know, issued these indictments which are backed up by a level of proof that

so at that time we already knew it was the gru. think the doj's indictment today is testament to the tremendous efforts and work of the fbi as well as the intelligence community at large in terms of putting together the pieces forensically as well as other intelligence that might be available to identify the exact individuals who were responsible and involved in this attack. >> let's go through some in this indictment, what did you learn today that was new to you? >> well, i think i learned some of the details, but i don't think i learned a lot new. as i said in the intelligence community assessments, we already had most of the essence of the nature of the attack and who was involved. but i think the doj was trying to make sure they could put things out publicly so that they could really just identify the individuals involved but also protect those source and methods that we need to continue to rely on. >> one of the more disturbing aspects of this indictment was the fact that the attempts to go to the election rolls it looks like

closely tied to gru units operating there. so if they didn't know, that was willful ignorance on their part. but we'll have to wait and see whether mr. mueller believes that anybody else committed crimes. you know, again, he's played things pretty close to his chest, but i think time will tell. and if there's actually the capacity to have a trial, we'll learn more about who knew what and when. >> yeah, don't hold your breath, john, for these 12 russian military intelligence operatives who are all presumably in russia right now, to be extradited or voluntarily come to the united states. >> if i were them, i wouldn't probably be, you know, taking a vacation in cyprus this summer. >> yeah, i suspect you're right. john podesta, thank you very much. gloria borger, let me get your analysis, your reaction. it's a pretty startling development, the details contained in this document. >> first of all, the forensics are amazing. secondly, i think that we're learning details in this that we really didn't know before. the white house react

the gru is very good at penetrating places and we should assume that. so they're going to dribble out that tape and we probably don't have. if putin comes to america, let's also assume there may be further indictments, maybe including americans. before he gets here and probably more detailed information about not just the fact that the gru directed the maligned interference last time and this time, but that putin directed the gru to direct and all of that will be swirling before the election or if it's after the election let's imagine that. maybe the majorities change. i can't see how this visit will help either republicans get elected or surely trump carry out some agenda that will exonerate the russians or exonerate him. >> so, mike, i mean, you know, look. i don't want to get too alarmist. does it cause you concern beyond just the pot ticks of vladimir putin coming to the white house, given everything that jane laid out about how they're, you know, kgb or whatever, gru, generally sets up for those types of visits? >> clearly. and this is what's so fr

then, ten days ago, he indicted 12 officers of the gru, the russian intelligence unit that broke intoternational democratic committee and then work with wiki leaks, created falls personas, created gucifer 2.0. what is missing from it is wlrpt they got help from any americans, and that people who clearly, the mueller is trying to press for information on that is paul man a forkts go es to trial soon. rick gates, his associate. of course, gem michael flynn, the national security adviser, briefly under president trump. and you'd have oadd michael cohen into that, in case he heard any of that along this way. so this question of the deletions you were referring to gets to what's really the central intrigue that you just don't know the answer to in the mueller tear, with i is, was there, were there americans and were there americans who were linked to the campaign or close to president trump, who somehow interacted with either the gru the internet research agency or other russians. >> that takes you to our story this weekend. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> something that occurs to me after reading

then ten days ago he indicted 12 officers testify the gru, the russian military intelligence unit, thatroke into the democratic national committee, and that then worked with wikileaks, created false personas. when you read the indictments together, what's missing from it is whether or not they got any help from any americans, and the people who clearly the mueller is trying to press for information on that is paul manafort, goes to trial pretty soon. rick gates, his associate. of course general michael flynn, who was the national security adviser briefly under president trump. and you have to also add michael cohen into that in case he heard any of that along the way. so this question of the deletions you were referring to gets to what's really the central intrigue that we just don't know the answer to in the muell mueller material, which is were there americans? and were there americans linked to the campaign or close to president trump who somehow interacted with either the gru, the internet research agency, or other russians. that takes to our story this weekend. >> something that oc

is the gru not part of the russian state? >> i will get to it.le bit of patience and you will get a full answer to your question. interference with domestic affairs of the united states, if you really believe that someone acting from the russian territory could have influenced the united states and influenced the choice of millions of americans -- chris: i'm not asking about influence. i'm asking whether they tried. >> i'm about to answer. this was the first point i am trying to make. if you have the patience you will heart entire response. i said this in 2016 and i said now, the idea was about hacking email accounts of a democratic candidate. was it reading effects or forgery effects. that's the point i was trying to make. was it a false information plan? no, it wasn't. the hackers have been discussed and i'll get back to it. bear with me for a moment. they hacked a certain email account and there was information about manipulation conducted within the democratic party to decline the process to favor one candidate. as far as i know the entire pa

one of the 11, along with the 12th gru officer are charged with conspireing to infiltrate computers of organizations involved in administering elections. according to the indictment, the two-part operation began with a spearphishing attack in 2016 to gain access to the kpours accounts of more than 300 people competed to the clinton campaign and democratic political groups including campaign chairman john podesta. starting that june, the defendants allegedly distributed stolen documents through a bogus website they created called d.c. leaks.com, a facebook page and twitter page, claim thanksgiving were, in the words of the indictment, american hacktivists. the russians used guccifer 2.0 falsely claiming to be a lone romanian hacker. the indictment was not allege crimes by any americans nor that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result. however, as we'll be talking about tonight, it hardly slams the door on question of american collaboration. but just the mere fact of it is striking. a dozen russian military intelligence officers charged today, which if you're

their unit in the gru is listed in the indictment. the fbi, the special counsel and the national security division of the justice department revealed a lot of details, including a lot of trade craft that the united states intelligence services and the fbi have used to identify these people. they talk about their communications, they talk about the servers that they used in malaysia and other countries around the world to orchestrate this campaign, to infiltrate the dnc, the dccc, as well as members of the clinton campaign. and obviously the entire purpose of this operation was to undermine her campaign using websites and personas such as guccifer 2.0 and dcleaks as well as wikileaks to disseminate some of the stolen e-mails. this is a stunning indictment, because this is a focus of what the special counsel has been appointed to do and we've been waiting to see what exactly they were going to say about americans. it's very important to hear, the deputy attorney general today made clear that this indictment does not make any allegations

he sent gru operatives. cyber attacks on us. >> neil: i remember. >> spread fake news. in fact, his agents penetrated our penitentiary system and showed videos -- >> neil: i remember they almost killed you. >> yes. he certainly managed to try to kill me. i'm one of the few survivors of he's assassinations. you can argue about the style. you know, the one thing is clear, that president trump didn't give in on territorial issues. putin expected something like, you know, legalizing his land grabs in georgia or crimea or eastern ukraine. i don't know what was said inside, but apparently there was apparently no giving on that issue. and i thought that president trump was good on energy. that's is what vladimir putin cares about. you know, in vladimir putin's care, energy issue is number 1 issue. when president trump speaks about the german pipeline, that hurts putin. we should look at what president trump says but i think we should look at what he does and we'll see in the next few months. but i didn't think he d

i spent three years working with the gru -- against the gru sitting down with russian military officers like those that were indicted. what i can tell you is that the russians value people. they recruit people. i fully suspect russian tactics would have dictated that if they're going to pull out all the stops, they're going to use americans. what's important to remember, that there are americans after donald trump won the election met with russians, including michael flynn, including jared kushner. in fact michael flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi about those meetings. so i fully suspect that the russians did not stop their intent to harm the united states after donald trump won the election. that's an important point. >> is it possibly, naveed, that they careless about the midterms than 2020? so there's a possibility that they're tamping down their efforts now, staying quiet for now when it comes to the midterm elections so as to say, hey, there's no smoke here, don't look, and then come 2020 they're back in the game? >> absolutely. look, at the end of the day what they're looking

it talks about specific units of the gru, russian military intelligence.u not part of the russian state? >> translator: i will get to it. just have a little bit of patience and you will get a full answer to your question. interference with domestic affairs of the united states, do you really believe that someone acting from the russian territory could have influenced the united states and influenced the choice of millions of americans? it's ridiculous. >> chris: i'm not asking if they influenced, i'm asking whether they tried. >> translator: i'm about to answer. this was the first point i was trying to make. if you have some patience, you will hear the entire response. i said this in 2016 and i say it now, the idea was about hacking an email account of a democratic candidate. was it rigging of facts? was it forgery of facts? that the important thing, the point that i'm trying to make. was there any false information planted? no, it wasn't. these hackers -- i will get back to it, just bear with me for a moment. as we are getting told, they hacked a certain

>> so when i take a look at this, this is token russian gru. and for those that don't know, russian gru is akin to the u.s.' defense intelligence agency. they targeted personal accounts. they're aggressive. i often describe them as a thunderstorm moving through the network. the one thing that really resonates to me that it's not surprising that they haven't stopped. they obviously don't care about public shaming, considering that it was publicly available news that russia was responsible for election meddling since june of 2016. that obviously is not a good deterrent for them, so they're going to keep coming. it comes down to one fact. i'll tell you, russia has built a magnificent overt offensive cyber capability that cannot be deterred as of this point. and it's something really the u.s. has yet to master is this overt offensive cyber capability. >> and the tactics that they used in this case were similar to what they were doing to try to hack into john podesta's e-mails, hillary clinton's campaign manager. >> absolutely. i think, as i've seen

>> if there were conversations between the gru and americans and you saw a little bit of it.ote about some of this in the times today, about guccifer 2.0, the russian military intelligence. the specificity of the conversations between wikileaks and the gru, makes you wonder what else do they have including how deep were they in inside wikileaks system. >> wikileaks hasn't been indicted or charged. >> they have not. they were not named, organization one, very clear who they were. if you think that mueller was moving up and putting all of this together a few months ago, he does the internet research agency and now he does the gru, the russian military intelligence, next is what ties all of those together. if he's got it. and we don't know he's got it. on jeff's point, it is remarkable that you have nobody sitting in the room because you're not going to get any real sense of what actually happened in this. you're going to get a trump spin. you're going to get a putin spin and we'll be sitting here wondering which one is right. >> i don't want to get too far away from finland. bu

he runs the gru, that's his espionage and intelligence unit. trump should demand that the 12 indicted russians be turned over for judicial action and to have justice served. and if he doesn't do that, he ought to leave the summit. but we know what the summit is about, it's about he and putin getting their business together in private. and their business is not the business of the people, it's the business of donald trump, donald trump's family financially. and donald trump's efforts along with, and his campaign, no question about it, with the russian government and collusion to change the results of the election of 2016 by influencing people's minds and that's what the russian gru did. and they did it for putin and trump. and putin and trump are such strong allies that is not our opposition, or our competitor. that's our foe. i've been with the russians just last week in berlin. they lie constantly. they deny they shot down hr-17 over iraq. it is fake news it sounds like trump talk. military and cyberwise to the baltic regions, the balkan regio

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vladimir putin's kremlin did, the russian military intelligence operatives from what is known as the gru. the military component of the fsb, which is the successor to the kgb, which putin once was a top officer in. the concern, of course, about a one-on-one meeting with no official note takers, no advisers, is that vladimir putin is a spy master, a former spy master. he's so experienced in all of this. donald trump has shown in brussels and then in london, of course, how inexperienced, if you will, he is on the world stage given his quick gyrations on everything from the european union policy to of course his insults to theresa may. chris dickey is here with me. today theresa may is facing challenges in parliament, in her party, over brexit, over her separation from the european union and over her negotiations in part exacerbated by the trump visit. >> well, yeah. really, trump is a classic bully. he likes to strike out at people. he knows they're not going to be able to hit back. theresa may really can't hit back. the various nato leaders and g7 leaders, they can express a little irrita

in fact, both were created and controlled by the russian gru.public, the defendants transferred stolen documents to another organization that is not identified by name in the indictment, and they used that organization as a pass-through to release the documents. they discussed the timing of the release and an attempt to enhance the impact on the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia, the defendants used a network of computers around the world, and they paid for it using cryptocurrencies. the conspirators corresponded with several americans during the course of the conspiracy through the internet. there's no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. in a second, related conspiracy, russian gru officers hacked the web site of a state election board and stole information about 500,000 voters. they also hacked into computers of a company that supplied software used to verify voter registration information. they targeted state and local officials responsib

which directed the recipients to a gru created website.itary officer altered the appearance of the sender e-mail address in order to make it look like the e-mail was a security notification from google, a technique known as spoofing, instructing the user to change his password by clicking the embedded link. those instructions were followed. on or about march 21st, 2016, the officers and their coconspirators stole the contents of the chairman's e-mail account, which consisted of over 50,000 e-mails. i can't help but wonder what it felt like today when you read that portion of the e-mail with that line that says those instructions were followed. do you remember that moment where you clicked on john356gh? >> well, lawrence, there is a little bit more of a back story to that. but i think the general observations of this have been well known, that there was a spearphishing attempt. it involved my assistant in my office. but what's important is that at the heart of this was a conspiracy, which is laid out in this indictment. crimes were committe

impeach justice department officials that are showing americans and the world that russian spies, the gru, is trying to undermine american democracy. we've now indicted 25 russians to undermine american democracy. we indicted the president's campaign manager, the president's national security adviser, the president's assistant campaign manager, the man that the president said was one of his two top foreign policy advisers. we have five guilty pleas already. we've opened up an entirely new phase of the investigation on friday and we don't know where it's going to go. more questions are now raised than ever before, and yet you have rudy giuliani saying this investigation must end. it's a good thing there are some republicans, jeremy, that actually have come out and said we need to see where this investigation leads us. >> and more should, joe, because the only reason why trump's lawyers and trump's allies on the hill want the investigation to wind down because of course they are frightened to death as to where it might lead. i'm so glad that you're talking strongest possible terms about wha

late that night, bob mueller says in the indictment, the grand jury returned for the first time the gru military intelligence officers who launched a spearfishing attack against hillary clinton's personal server. the connection there, between president trump's call for russian action against hillary clinton, and their response to that is, i think, the most important fact from friday's indictment. >> coincidence, that that would happen the day the president said that to and about the russians. if you're watching the overhead camera angle of this room where they're going to be having the press event, it would appear that members of the news media are relegated to the left side of the room. on the right, perhaps, are the chairs reserved for the two delegations of both leaders. we're seeing a lot of our friends, familiar faces from the traveling press core. it shouldn't be all that long. we're going to sneak in a break here in our coverage. we're back from helsinki, from washington, from new york, and elsewhere, right after this. how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're cha

two units of the main intelligence directorate of the russian general staff known as the gru.ts engaged in active cyber operations to interfere with the 2016 presidential election. and this announcements comes three days before president donald trump and russian president vladimir putin meet, setting the stage for a very high-stakes summit in helsinki. joining us over the phone with more is a former federal prosecutor, jeffrey kramer. thank you for joining us here. so talk to us about how an investigation like this might work and what evidence would be necessary to bring these kind of indictments? jeffery: sure. it is not surprising, but we have seen it before, that special counsel mueller is using all the tools at his disposal in the fbi, specifically the cyber group. the indictment is very specific about how the gru went about not only hacking to get the clinton emailed and the dnc, but then distributed them very conservatively. like we saw in the manafort indictment, mr. mueller seems to his got --. it -- dotted t's.nd crossed his on july 26, russia, and hope you're listeni

do you have any doubt that the gru, russian military intelligence, conducted these operations? >> you're asking me personally? having access to information maybe other people don't have access to, those who have followed this issue closely, there's very little doubt in my mind about what we're seeing. the investigation, almost 30 russians in total, the process and the investigation are playing out, and that's part of holding russia accountable and responsible for election meddling and malign activity. it's part of getting through our relationship, chris. this is part of it. but let me tell you something else, we have got to at some point quit looking in the rearview mirror. we have to be informed by what we have been through and use that to educate us as we go forward. but at some point, we have to look forward and around the bend. we have an election coming up in november. and if there is meddling in the election, this november, like we saw in 2016, we're not going to have much of a relationship left. and all of these other issues that we're talking about and trying to find co

an intelligence officer himself will not look kindly on the fact that his officers were caught, the gru officers were caught. >> reporter: the indictment includes certain details of the russian spies, name, unit numbers, titles, street addresses where they work. a lieutenant colonel major saw a unit within 26165, including development of malware, including a tool used by the gru known as x agent. >> concerning who and when and what and where they developed this tool for use is -- >> reporter: the indictment identifies another hacking tool called x tunnel, it pinpoints certain russians hacks. they used it to hide their tracks. american investigators even knew who the russians were googling, even cyber search terms. threat connect which helps identify russian hackers such as goo goocifer 2.0. >> the fact that the dccc was hacked and that's is way the hackers got into the dnc in the first place, which we didn't know before. and in addition, the tools that were used, and the fact that they persisted into the fall of 2016 were all new details from this indictment. >> reporter: intelligence e

in which the gru hacking was described and he was reporting out to the american people.nt the other day is a follow-on to that, to accuse president obama of not having disclosed this or having concealed it seems to be very strained given the facts and the way president trump has tried to down play it since he took office. >> we know the dozen of the russian agents, we have their indictment again looking to see if there are any other americans involved, roger stone admitting he is likely the person described in the indictment as having regular contact with a russian hacker. but in a statement to nbc he called the communication benign. so what is the likelihood that roger stone was communicating with the russians and trump actually didn't know anything about that, ned? >> well, i think that is a lingering question, is how much donald trump knew about all of this. not only roger stone communication with the russians which he's now confirmed will you dall-- but also other key a pivotal moments in the campaign including the trump tower meeting and that june 2016 meeting in tr

worked for two units of the main intelligence directorate of the russian general staff, known as the gru. the units engaged in active cyber operations to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. >> the indictment contains an extraordinary amount of granular detail, including the name, rank and role of each individual intelligence officer and the street addresses of their office in moscow. without a doubt, the most explosive revelation is this. quote, on or about july 27, 2016, the conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time e-mail accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by clinton's personal office. note the very specific language used in this indictment. the attempted after hours for the first time. earlier that very same day, then candidate donald trump looked into news cameras and asked russia to hack hillary clinton. >> i will tell you this, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let's see if that happens. >> donald trum

i think we saw some names attached to some important positions within the gru.on't see chairman korobov mentioned here at all. i say go after the chairman's millions of dollars in his foreign bank account. >> you think president trump should say, i want these 12 guys. if you want these sanctions relieved, give me these guys? >> i don't think that's realistic. he'll never be able to get extradited any of these 12 people. i think interpol should be on alert. each of these people travel in europe with their families. their kids go to school overseas. these are people who have money hidden in bank accounts across europe. >> what does he need to see because we've seen him be real tough with the nato allies. we've seen him be real tough with theresa may, who is also a nato ally obviously but she just laid out the red carpet. he does an interview with the son and trashes her. how tough does he need to be with vladimir putin? >> i think this being the first real bilateral meeting, i think russia's economy is the size of new york state. i think the president needs to loo

is it a new attack from the gru or another division of the federation? what's your biggest fear about what could happen next? many people saw this week as a very dramatic inflection point for this presidency, attacking our own country on foreign soil. what do you worry about next? >> i have said this often, and i think it is even worse now, america is in the cyber war, most americans don't know it, and i'm not convinced we're winning. and if we don't have a whole government -- even the obama administration had some difficulties putting their arms around it. if you remember the whole snowden affair slowed everything down. they did a very successful job. by the way he's living in moscow, that's right. they did a great job of slowing down any progress of getting the whole of government to come together, and i mean, all of it, to try to push back on what is a growing threat. the russians, they just did a report that came out dod, that the russians were in our electric grid. they aren't there just to see how it works. they are there to try to figure out how i

i think we saw some names attached to some important positions within the gru. don't see the chairman mentioned here at all. i say go after the chairman's millions of dollars in his foreign bank account. >> you think president trump should say, i want these 12 guys. if you want these sanctions relieved, give me these guys? >> i don't think that's realistic. he'll never be able to get extradited any of these 12 people. i think interpol should be on alert. each of these people travel in europe with their families. their kids go to school overseas. these are people who have money hidden in bank accounts across europe. >> what does he need to see because we've seen him be real tough with the nato allies. we've seen him be real tough with theresa may, who is also a nato ally obviously but she just laid out the red carpet. he does an interview with the son and trashes her. how tough does he need to be with vladimir putin? >> i think this being the first real bilateral meeting, i think russia's economy is the size of new york state. i think the president needs to look

and they weren't the only ones, the dutch had gotten inside the headquarters of the gru, the russian military intel jents hajents -- intelligence hackers and they had video of them. and on top of that, the cia had some unique human intelligence, that was very closely kept, john brennan could give it directly to president obama that was attributed to president putin. >> so what do you think the russians could do in the 2018 elections? what are their capacities? >> they could do a lot of things, but my biggest fear is not just the russians, but the people who learned from the russians. the main thing you learn from cyber attacks, is that other countries are watching what every other country is doing. you and i are caught in this collateral damage of this war going on 30,000 feet above us. and it's easy for other actors to mimic somebody else. so in the 2018 elections, it might be the russians who come back, but the heat's on them. the chinese have an lot of heat on them because of the tariffs and other concerns, and other actors do as well. they're all studying what the russians did in

these gru guys weren't operating on their own. they just didn't decide they were going to mount this extensive campaign to hack democratic political parties in the clinton campaign and then dump the e-mails, and let's remember the u.s. intelligence community in its january, 2017 report said all of this was ordered by president vladimir putin himself. and -- >> good point. >> if you read the indictment closely. >> his name wasn't in the indictment. i thought that was odd. >> his name isn't in the indictment, but it does say when you read the fine print these 12 gru officers and others known and unknown to the grand jury. so who are those others known to the grand jury? it does raise the question of whether vladimir putin himself is an unindicted co-conspirator in these charges. >> great observation. michael isikoff, thank you as always. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> what are your thoughts? tweet me at smerconish. go to my facebook page. i'll read responses throughout the course of the program. will you hold obama accountable? yo

the dutch had gotten inside the headquarters of the gru, the russian military intelligence hackers, and some computer traffic from them. so we've got three separate intelligence sources. on top of that, the cia had some unique human intelligence, which was very closely kept. john brennan would give it directly to president obama, that attributed this to president putin. >> so what do you think the russians could do in the 2018 election? what are their capacities? this. >> they could do a lot of things, but my biggest fear about the 2018 election is not just the russians. it's the people who have learned from the russians. the main thing you learn from cyber attacks is that other countries are watching what everybody else is doing. they're aware that you and i are caught as the collateral damage in this war going on at 30,000 feet above us. and it's very easy for other actors to mimic somebody else. so in the 2018 elections, it might be the russians who come back but the heat is on them. the chinese have an awful lot at stake in this election because of the tariffs, our other concerns, o

it's called the gru.what they found they were the one who are behind the hacking of the clinton campaign e-mails, the dnc e-mail and dccc e-mails that were released publicly during the election cycle in one case, via wikileaks. these guys may not come here now to be prosecuted, but it's still worth doing. let's listen. >> for one thing the defendants may face trial. if there's a change in their government and they visit a nation that cooperates with america and enforcing rule of law. there are plenty people who thought they were safe under the protection of foreign government when they commit crimes against america. they find themselves in american prisons. >> these 12 individuals are part of something called the gru, russian intelligence. the reason justice department fell it was important to get that out there, the russian intelligence services would not launch an operation like this without a approval of vladimir putin and his team. they connecting the dots in a significant way harris. >> thank you ver

but it does say, when you read the fine prirnths these 12 gru officer and others known and unknown no the garage. so who are those others known to the garage? it does raise the question of whether vladimir putin, himself, is an unindicted co-conspirator in these charges. >> great observation. michael isakoff, thank youing, as always, appreciate it. >> tweet me, i will read some responses throughout the course of the program. will you hold obama act bl? you say you are fair. we will see. all this meddling happened under obama. no one cares. this is why the american people get so frustrated with the media, why trump will win again in the mid-term. the president tweeted today on exactly that point. that was his initial response. here's what i'm looking for, instead of this going on between rib lals, conservatives, republican, democrats, what happened to when we were united against a common enemy? this was terrorism. we were the victim of a terror strike and will the commander in chief on monday 408d accountable the presumed perpetrator of that terror strike. stop all the liberal conserva

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one of the big top-line items is that these individuals are part of what is called the gru, the russian intelligence. they were operating on two different tracks. one track was to steal the information and the other track was to disseminate the information. once again, here's the deputy attorney general a short time ago. >> first, they used a scheme known as spearfishing, which involve sending misleading e-mails and tricking the users into disclosing their pass words and security information. second, the defendants hacked into computer networks and installed malicious software that allowed them to spy on users and capture key strokes, take screen shots and remove data from those computers. >> other russian nationals have been indicted related to the special counsel investigation. the important thing here, the likelihood of them being extradited to the united states is basically zero because they're russian intelligence but sends a strong message and draws a direct link between the hacking and the stealing of those e-mails and the russian government, dana. >> dana: the defendants really

is the gru not part of the russian state? >> i will get to it. just have a little patience and get a full answer. interference with the mystical affairs of the united states. do you really believe that someone from the russian territory could have influenced the united states and influenced the choice of millions of americans? >> i'm asking whether they tried? >> i'm about to answer. this was the first point i was trying to make if you have patience. i said this in 2016 and i think it now. the idea was about hacking an email account of the democratic candidate. was it breaking of facts or forgery of facts? that's what i'm trying to - - point i'm trying to make it was it is information planted? no it wasn't. bear with me for a moment. they hacked an email account and there was information about manipulation conducted within the democratic party to incline the process in favor of one candidate and as far as i know, the entire party leadership, resigned. that's one thing. manipulation of public opinion should stop an apology should be made to the pu

really the key headline is this connection to russian intelligence called the gru. think of it as the cia, the central intelligence agency or the defense intelligence agency, our equivalent. here's the deputy attorney general from earlier today. >> today, a grand jury in the district of columbia returned an indictment presented by the special counsel's office. the indictment charges 12 russian military officers by name for conspireing to interfere with the 2016 presidential election. >> what we learned from the indictment is that the operation had two tracks, if you will. one track looked at stealing the information so getting the e-mails, getting text messages and the other was focused on disseminating that information. the deputy attorney general said this was very sophisticated. >> first, they used a scheme known as spearfishing which involves sending misleading e-mail messages and tricking the users to disclosing pass words and security information. second, the defendants hacked into computer networks and installed malicious software that allowed them to spy on

both were created and controlled by the russian gru. in addition to releasing documents directly to the public , the defendants transfer stolen documents to another organization that is not identified by name in the indictment. they used that organization as a pass through to release the documents. they discussed the timing of the release and an attempt to enhance the impact of the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia, the defendants used a network of computers around the world and paid for using cryptocurrencies. -- theyt -- corresponded with several americans during the conspiracy through the internet. no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. in a second related conspiracy, russian officers hacked the website of a state election board and stole information about 500,000 voters. they hacked into computers of a company that supplied software used to verify voter registration information. they targeted state and local officials responsibl

time talking about the democratic party and the dnc server than he did talking about russia and the gru, the russian military intelligence. he made a couple points there. he said first of all, that you don't fly all the way to a summit to insult each other. that he had come to helsinki from moscow, president trump had come across the atlantic and your trying to achieve diplomatic purposes and make some progress. he also said on this question of whether putin has something and that the russians have something compromising information about president trump, he said in terms that i don't think president trump is going to like very much. he said look, he came over here, he built buildings, ran a beauty pageant. i didn't know who he was, didn't care who he was. we have billionaires here and we don't surveil them. he denied any compromising information in terms of trying to explain why the president handled the news conference and these questions the way he did. we went over a whole range of subjects, shep. we talked about syria, we talked about nato, we talked about ukraine, we talked about

in fact, both were created and controlled by the russian gru.endants transferred stolen documents to another organization that is not identified by name in the indictment and they use that organization as a pass-through to release the documents. we discussed the timing of the release in an attempt to enhance the impact on the election. in an effort to conceal their connections to russia, the defendants used a network of computers around the world and they paid for it using cryptocurrencies. the conspirators corresponded with several americans during the course of the conspiracy through the internet. there is no allegation in this indictment that the americans knew they were corresponding with russian intelligence officers. in a second related conspiracy, russian gru officers hacked the web site of a state election board and still information of 500,000 voters. they also hacked into computers of the company that supply software used to verify voter registration information. they targeted state and local officials responsible for administering ele