a couple got inspired by humanae vitae. they saw a need to teach couples about the method and formalize it. make it easier to understand so they can learn. it was in 1971, three years after humanae vitae , when the couple was starting to science and the pope brought his letter saying this is what catholics should do. i think researchers were catholic or people that were like-minded and thought we needed to make this effective, safe, and stable. that has happened. what you teach is genuine science and biology. >> i think with our background in technology and science, i, didn't believe in it to be honest. i didn't think it was going to work. every time i heard someone use natural family planning they had a ton of kids. at that time i did not understand. i think as we started learning about it i was fascinated by how our bodies work and how effective it is. >>it seems to me -- you are in a systematic program and volunteer as teachers. where at? >> we have been helping different dioceses mainly in san francisco and oakland. we