mr. kimmelman and mr. slover at both argued quite passionately and particularly that the benefits that the parties claim are themselves to uncertain, or at least sufficiently uncertain so that we can't assume that there won't be competitive harm. in other words, we know that we will be in a sense of the mandating a competitor and the elimination of a competitor can't come at the risk associate with that can't be offset by the possibility of the procompetitive impact. there's been a lot of talk about, i've heard a lot of ratios discussed in this discussion in the days leading up to it. summits of this essay four the three transition mac transition to others is that it's a two the three transition to other sets that it's eight to seven. others assert its zero to one transition. we could do a whole lot of how have a whole lot of fun just with that. but this contrast all of it with something is it in your written testimony, which is your point in response to all of this is that is not just the number, shouldn'