mr. orourke, that 50 people had discipline, out of 360 plus ,000 employees. >> yes, sir. that's at the senior leader level. >> okay, do you believe that the implementation has been successful? when i say that, per your comment this weekend, about the impact it has on managing this organization. and what are the the three top metrics you use to define success? >> the initial stand up of the office, the first thing that you try to work through is just the recognition of what the new capability is, what we're trying to do in communicating that across in the case of the senior leadership work force. senior executives, folks in the confidential policymaking position. that is difficult in an organization the size and scope of va. getting out to visit with medical center directors, and teaching them, helping them understand what the purpose of that office is in a context of, we're here to possibly investigate your misconduct or your performance is a tight rope to walk. but i believe we did that successfully by going into nonthreatening environments with them, also with meeting w