universal response today, anderson. republicans did not want the go anywhere near this unfolding scandal. they don't know where it's going to go, anderson. >> thank you very much. joining me is republican mark sanfordm north carolina. congressman sanford, thanks for being with us. what do you make of this tape? and also, your republican colleagues collective silence on the matter? >> well, i'm not going to speak for other colleagues, but what i would say, at least from my perspective, is that it's incredibly disturbing. because leaving the legal issues and the federal election and all the other issues that people have been talking about, i think in the last segment you pegged it, which is fundamentally what we have going on is that the president has institutionalized if you will the idea of it being okay to tell a lie. people don't bat an eye, and there is not strong pushback from the hill. there is not strong pushback from the american public. but in essence we've institutionalized at the presidential level continuous lies one after another. and i think as alan dershowitz just alluded to, this is an incredible problem in a trust-based system, which is ultimately a democracy. >> it's -- a, i think