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still with us, jeremy brash, carol leonnig, matt apuzzo, and phil rucker. jeremy, talk about the significance of these russians now being subpoenaed by robert mueller, what is he trying to do, what is he trying to prove, and what will he do next? >> the agalarov worked with trump to build the trump tower in moscow during the presidential election in 2016, it started to take shape in late 2015 and early 2016. they are the ones who went back to the russian government and said, we would like to send a russian delegation to trump tower to talk about how we're supporting the campaign in june 2016. they're integral to the ties between the trump family, the trump organization, and the russian government. they were the go-between. just because you are a cheesy pop star doesn't mean that you're also not a cutout for russian intelligence. >> matt apuzzo, this trump tower meeting has long been a flash point in questions about obstruction, because of what both your papers reported about the cover story about what that meeting was about. it now seems to be a flashpoint

earlier, i spoke to carol leonnig from the washington post.resident. in some ways, both of them are very bad for the president optically, because these people were if not best friends with him, very close to him on the campaign, and he trusted them with very senior positions, though he's said otherwise at times. in terms of legal repercussions, it seems as though mr cohen points the greatest finger, i guess, at mr trump, by saying that he worked in co—ordination with donald trump to violate campaign finance laws in the fall and the early summer — late summer, forgive me, of 2016. mr manafort‘s charges are almost entirely about his own actions, long before he met mr trump. the issue there has always been that the special counsel who is investigating russian interference in the election in 2016, the presidential us election here, the special counsel's goal in prosecuting and pursuing mr manafort always seems to have been to get him to co—operate in his probe, and thus far has been unsuccessful, but has been successful in prosecuting him on these

. >> carol leonnig, national reporter for "the washington post."anks for joining us. >>> change of heart, republican congressman chris collins making a dramatic move. alright guys let's go! let's do this directions to the greek theater (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪can i get a connection? crisp leaves of lettuce. freshly made dressing. clean food that looks this good. delivered to your desk. now delivering to home or office. panera. food as it should be. you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed? let's say it in a really low voice. carl? lowest price, guaranteed. just stick with badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi.? a more powerful way to stay connected. it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it's the ultimate wifi experience.

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carol leonnig, investigative reporter from the "washington post." she has a new story tonight on the new mueller interview offer to trump which is central to all of this. thank you so much for being here on a busy night for you. >> glad to be here. and thanks for the good questions you guys always ask. it's been a roller coaster of a day. >> i think that's fair to say. and it's -- there's some theme parks open well into the evening. we may still be on the roller coaster at this moment. walk us through what you have learned about mueller's counter offer for a potential trump interview and why do you think he's willing to limit some questions? >> i'm told that mueller's team presented a counter proposal in this seven-month long negotiation over the special counsel being able to interview the president about evidence suggesting that the president obstructed justice or sought to thwart a criminal probe. and in thcounter proposal, what mueller did was essentially say look, i'll reduce the number questions that are about the view theny that i have of the

carol leonnig, as always, great reporting. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, chris. >> all right, i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, mimi rocah, and former deputy assistant attorney general, eliot williams, who was in the quote/unquote justice department. here's my first question. when carol says he consulted his attorneys, she does not mean don mcgahn, the white house counsel, the counsel to the president in his official capacity, she means his personal criminal attorneys, rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. that's a little odd, isn't it? >> that's a good point. this is about white house business -- >> affairs of state. >> right. he should be talking about to the white house counsel about it. what's interesting is this is so circular, i think. because the reason that trump now says is that he needs to fire sessions and that some of the republicans who previously would have opposed that are now crumbling is because their relationship is so bad. but why is it so bad? it's so bad because trump

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