amendment 4004, they are senators baldwin, menendez, van hollen, blumenthal, reed, feinstein, markey, and carper. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. murphy: thank you very much, madam president. madam president, maybe one of the most memorable moments from secretary devos's confirmation hearing was her response to a question that i posed to her. i thought i was giving her a softball. i thought i was giving her a very easy question at the end of my five minutes when i posed a simple question to her, whether she thought that it was a good thing to have guns in schools. i thought that she would give me an answer how, of course, listening to teachers and parents, as she claims to have done during her career in education, that more guns in schools was not the right thing to protect our kids, and, instead, she said that, yes, in fact, she thought that that question should be left largely up to the states because of, quote, potential grizzlies. the idea that there have some schools that may need guns inside to protect against wild animals. i assume she would answer that question differently today. it became a but of jokes, but it turns