let's go live now to philip ingram former senior military intelligence security officer in the u.k. felt good to have you on the program just as we're listening to the deputy commissioner there just to get your take perhaps before we get into the actual details does this appear to you to be a terrorist attack. well it's been treated as a terrorist attack that's different to being law you know there are indications that would suggest it could be the use of a vehicle iconic sights. and knocking people down that's being encouraged by the different terrorist organizations but there's things that would suggest that might not necessarily beit it was a small car there's an individual that's in there he didn't hit a big crowd of people that's going on so it could just be someone with mental health issues and it's important that you know we don't jump to conclusions too quickly what's the first thing that i can tear terry unit would try to establish when they arrived at the scene because we do know they got there very fast indeed there's two things that they'll be doing sort of three things