abused more than one thousand children in the state of pennsylvania over the past seventy years tim layden is the president at snap or survivors network of those abused by priests he joins me now via skype from tucson arizona good to have you with us on the program mr lennon the pope. it's good to have you with us the pope has spoken and he's also met victims as well has he said enough really to placate his critics all those victims of abuse whether they be in ireland or beyond the borders of ireland. not one child is safer because of what the words of the pope are the actions of the pope gestures apologies condemnations are insufficient and until he takes action. we're going to have a continuation of the same kind of systematic abuse of children and cover up by church hierarchies so the apologies and the condemnations become longer but we have been seen in your action let's move it forward then because all we talking about now a complete seachange in investigating allegations of abuse there is tolka about bringing in local police or security forces into an investigation that debate is sti