momentarily,all, as a witness, anita hill. sworn and will be make her own statement in her at which time we would then begin the questioning of professor hill. after which we will bring back questioning.for the committee will stand in i imagine it is only momentarily, as the professor will be her momentarily. but we will stand in recess until she is able to take her seat, which should be a matter of minutes. i'm told security is clearing the hall, she is in the hall, so she can come down. theou have been watching 1991 confirmation hearing for then-supreme court nominee clarence thomas, who was facing sexual harassment at the time from anita hill. we have been showing this to you as the senate judiciary committee prepares for him tomorrow with christine blasey accused supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh of sexual assault in high school. brett kavanaugh will also testify. that's live tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3. hearing in 1991 with anita hill, sharing her testimony. this portion includes her opening statement an

ment allegations from anita hill. we will take a look at the hearing as the senate judiciary committee reopened the hearing. this is from clarence thomas and committee members. the opening statements are from clarence thomas and committee members. >> the meeting will come to order. let me ask the capitol police, if there is not decorum, we will ask those disrupting this to leave. today the committee is hearing charges made against judge clarence thomas who has been nominated to be an associate judge of the supreme court. i want to speak very briefly about the circumstances that has caused us to queen these -- convene these hearings. we are here today to hold open hearings on professor anita hill's allegations concerning judge thomas. this committee's handling of her charges has been criticized. professor hill has made two requests to this committee. first, she has asked us to investigate her charges against judge thomas, and, second, she had asked that these charges remain confidential, that they not be made public an

i remember the anita hill hearings. and rachel maddow played the tape of the hearings recently last night i think, and it's appalling. it's totally appalling. and if we want to have some independent source do the investigation, i recently served on a pentagon committee look at sexual assault in the military. we have an entire system to look at assault allegations -- sexual assault allegations. the military lawyers and investigators are very well prepared to do this kind of investigation as an independent source. and they should be called upon. >> well, lying to the fbi is a crime. dr. ford knows that, brett kavanaugh knows that. one of them is not afraid to the talk to the fbi, and only one of them. jill wine-banks, joyce vance, thanks for joining the discussion. >>> and we will find out whether brett kavanaugh will make it through, and we'll then find out whether jeff sessions will make it through to another year as attorney general or whether the president's attack on him today is the beginning of the final days of je

there was an fbi investigation with anita hill.nk anita hill made a very strong, persuasive, incredible arguments and told a story that was very compelling in terms of what happened to her, vis-a-vis, clarence thomas. he believed her. we have been borne out. but the other thing i want to say is in this atmosphere of donald trump, i think that is another significant change. when you have someone who is an amended sexual predator in the white house, republican senators can tolerate trump, they can certainly prepare to defend and tolerate the kinds of actions that brett kavanaugh -- john amy: this is part one of our discussion. barbara ransby as a new book out called "making all like lives matter."

again, anita hill was -- have. again, anita hill was someone that i respected and was cordial toward and felt positive toward and hopeful for her career, and i may have on occasion, and i can't remember any specific occasion, picked up the phone just to see how she was doing. again, the calls that you have there are the calls that are reflected or that reflect her inability to get in touch with me when she had called, as opposed to the instances in which she was able to contact me successfully. senator hatch: judge thomas, before this day, have you seen -- seen professor hill on various occasions since she left the equal employment opportunity commission? yes, senator. as i indicated, i recall seeing her i am certain one time and perhaps twice in tulsa, ok, and on one of those occasions it is my recollection that we had dinner with charles kothe, we also had -- senator hatch she was there? : charles kothe, the dean of was she there at that dinner? judge thomas: she was at the dinner. we also hadwe being anita and m

again, anita hill was -- have. again, anita hill was someone that i respected and was cordial toward and felt positive toward and hopeful for her career, and i may have on occasion, and i can't remember any specific occasion, picked up the phone just to see how she was doing. again, the calls that you have there are the calls that are reflected or that reflect her inability to get in touch with me when she had called, as opposed to the instances in which she was able to contact me successfully. senator hatch: judge thomas, before this day, have you seen -- seen professor hill on various occasions since she left the equal employment opportunity commission? yes, senator. as i indicated, i recall seeing her i am certain one time and perhaps twice in tulsa, ok, and on one of those occasions it is my recollection that we had dinner with charles kothe, we also had -- senator hatch she was there? : charles kothe, the dean of was she there at that dinner? judge thomas: she was at the dinner. we also hadwe being anita and m

and then our humble mayor, ed lee and his immigrant wife, anita. to recognize these are marketable people and to name a school after them, for what they have done pack what they stand for, but they have given gifts of hope. hope from the daily distress from all of the breaking news about issues regarding immigration. the comforting thing to know is that if you vote to have these name changes, the future students that walk the halls of these schools will learn about these remarkable people. i want to thank you for considering this and for listening to me tonight. thank you. [applause] >> thank you, very much. we will take comments this at this time from the board for superintendents. vice president cook. >> i just wanted to thank my colleagues for their leadership and mr tab for his decades of service to our district and for being -- leading to community efforts. this was embraced and discussed at the school. i just want to say briefly that i first met the late mayor ed lee when he was city administrator and who -- and 2008 when i was a city hall fe

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anita is on the board. these men and women give extraordinarily guidance and governance to our organization. it was founded by mrs. kennedy in 1961 as a nonprofit, nonpartisan, partner to the white house and we are honored , to be conceiver this site summit this week. today we'll talk about presidential legacy and commemoration. and let's start by diving in lbj. mark your leadership with the , lbj foundation. monday would have been 110th birthday of presidential johnson. and so there is a commemoration of sorts or at least a noting of that occasion. and johnson was larger than life as president, larger-than-life post-presidency, and what would he think of his legacy as we see him today? stewart,you and anita congratulations on this conference [applause] -- conference. [applause] i know how much work they have put into this, and it is clearly paid off, because it's been a rousing success. so congratulations to both of you. and thanks to all of you for what you do. i mentioned it yesterday to the group that c

and this story is such an echo of anita hill. anita hill of course emerged after clarence thomas had we thought completed confirmation hearings, and suddenly there were rumblings that were some accusations and that there was a woman. and i can remember 24 hours of suspense in the senate and suddenly there was anita hill doing a tv press conference announcing what her information was. and i can tell you at the time the senate stop and stared at this woman, and i knew senators who were basically on their way to the senate floor to announce their support for clarence thomas and turned right around. and it changed everything that happened. >> yeah, and i remember that time as well. a completely different time. no internet. >> right. >> it was the three baud cast networks, cable. and everything stopped. everything stopped in washington, everything stopped around the country as everyone sat at home, if they had radios, if they had a television to watch these hearings. and now the parallels are just amazing. but now we are in a 24-hour

>> i think with anita hill and her history, what dr. ford is trying to avoid is anita hill 2.0. i was really young at the time, but that was one of my first examples of what sexism looks like because it was very clear that a panel of white men were berating and shaming this very poised and articulate african american woman who really dressed up like she was going to sunday school to make the point that, you know, i have credibility. i'm just coming in to tell the truth. i have no agenda here, and they still shamed her and smeared her. and so i think dr. ford is doing the right thing here, asking for an investigation. because at the heart of this is something very serious. i think when you see orrin hatch say she is a little mixed up, that makes it seem like this is a misunderstanding and not a crime, that if he had been caught at the time it happened, he would have been investigated by the police. we're talking about something that's a crime. so while it's way back in high school, it's still relevant because he is denying that any of it ever happened. >> right. >> so if that is

they interviewed anita hill about it. c. boyden gray told us by phone today, quote, what they interviewed anita hill about was the basic facts. the fbi, such as it was, was very basic, very quick. if there was any controversy about it at all, it was that it was too cursory. it was too unimportant. the very same day that white house counsel c. boyden gray asked the fbi to go look into this allegation about judge thomas, that exact same day, september 23rd, is when the fbi conducted their interview with anita hill on that issue. two days later by september 25th, they were done. they didn't produce a conclusive report that even tried to definitively assert whether or not the sexual harassment had, in fact, happened. they just put together this very basic report. basically, yeah, we talked to him. yeah, we talked to her. this is what they said. that was kind of it. the fbi gave that info back to the white house. the white house gave it back to the committee. most senators didn't even know that that had happened. most senators we

we believe anita hill. we believe christine ford. we believe anita hill. we believe christine ford. we believe anita hill. we believe christine ford. we believe anita hill. we believe christine ford. >> you are subject to arrest for protesting outside. do you know that? announcer: we will have more virginiarage today as democratic senator tim kaine faces republican challenger corey stewart. it will be the first of two town halls posted by liberty university and hampton university. the topic will be domestic policy and the economy. live at 7:00 eastern on c-span, your primary source for campaign 2018. and later, trumps campaign rally in las vegas. live at 10 p.m. eastern on .-span more from the campaign trail tomorrow as ted cruz faces his democratic challenger in dallas. live tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern. on capitol hill, the senate judiciary committee postponed the vote on judge breye -- --ge brett kavanaugh's her lawyer says the fbi should investigate before she appears. chairman grassley has given miss ford until tomorrow morning to tell the committee

anita hill, when clarence thomas was up, he had positives.ay, kavanaugh has maybe 4% of people saying he should be concerned. but clarence thomas, who was, after all to replace another african-american, had even african-americans for him. so he went ahead with that head start. there was an immediate turn around, and an immediate regret, and we saw it in the year of the woman, and the year of the woman produced four women that have come to the house or the senate. we already have a woman coming in upon us. you put this out there and i think you'll gallop it into the next election. >> to your point, looking at what's coming down the pike, i want to play from 1991 multiple senators who were, of course, i mentioned and i think it's relevant, who were all male, in the waiting, used their position to impugn and attack ms. hill, who has spoken out today and said she hopes we don't have a replay of that in our history. take a look at these senators from 1991. >> she will be destroyed and harassed and belittled. >> the good name of a good man has been

momentarily as the witness anita hill. sworn and will be make her run statement in her own words at which time we would then begin the questioning of professor hill. back which we will bring judge thomas. for questioning. the committee will stand in recess -- i imagine it is only inentarily -- we will stand she is able to take her seat which should be a matter of a minute or so. i am told security is clearing the hall, she is in the hall so she can come down. theou have been watching 1991 confirmation hearing for senator clarence thomas acing sexual harassment allegations. we have been showing it to you as negotiations continue between the senate judiciary committee and christine mallozzi ford -- blasey ford. next, we will go back to that hearing in 1991 with anita hill. sharing her testimony. this includes her opening statement and questions from joe biden and arlen specter. >> welcome, professor hill. let me explain what the be!!! while yourh"" $$$$$ family and others are being seated. when that isl

the hearings echo anita hill's hearing.lled on graphic details before a committee made up of white men. how will senators change their tactics today when they question brett kavanaugh in this me too era. >> chris kuhns announced he opposes brett kavanaugh's nomination. let me ask you this. do you support this public hearing now scheduled for monday when we will hear from professor ford and judge brett kavanaugh? >> i think it is important that this hearing on monday be informed first by experts who can help make sure that the panel understands the dynamics that cause many victims of sexual assault to refuse to come forward for years, why they fear retribution or mistreatment. and second i think it's important that we hear

i'd like to start by going back in time to the anita hill, clearance thomas hearing. do you look at this and see a sequel? do down see parallels today? >> i see tremendous parallels. i was in the hearing room back in 1991. in fact, sitting directly across from maureen doud for "the new york times" and this has so many erie parallels down to the fact that even though now we think we're having a hearing thursday, that's no time to really get to the bottom of the facts in this case. to report stran"strange justice book i co-wrote that had a large amount of new evidence showing that anita hill absolutely told the truth when she testified and that clearance thomas' category denial amounted to perjury. to put that case together and find all the people who knew exactly what happened back then was difficult and took time. >> years, right? >> took us almost three years. >> right. >> so, you know, just the parallels where anita hill's story leaked out to the press. >> right. >> she had signed a sworn avid but wanted to keep her identity con confidential in the beginning and sam

we can't relive anita hill. also, you can't approach this the way you approach any other, you know, judiciary process. you're talking about questioning a person who survived sexual violence, held it in for so many years and under pressure forced to come forward. this has to be handled gently, with compassion. they cannot retraumatize her and do things like the president just did and triggering. they have to be careful. the world is watching and the country is watching. we have to realize we have to learn something from the me too movement. the me too movement is not just about taking down, you know, powerful men in high positions. it is about just this. it is about survivors like dr. ford, being understood and being believed. >> i think you hit at the critical point. the world is watching. tarana, tim, thank you so much to both of you for an important conversation. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >>> still to come, we'll talk to the sister-in-law of kavanaugh's accuser of how difficult her life has been since sh

. >> we believe anita hill. >> we believe christine ford. >> we believe anita hill. >> we believe christine ford. >> you are subject to arrest for protesting outside. do you know that. >> again the senate judiciary committee calling a hearing for monday to give judge cavanaugh along with christine ford who accuse the judge of sexually assaulting her in high school, a chance to testify. her attorney continues to call for an fbi investigation before her client testifies. we are planning live coverage monday on c-span at ten eastern. also available online at cspan.org and you can listen with the free c-span radio app. >> victoria is an attorney and the former deputy assistant attorney general from 1984 to 1988. where are you on these accusations against bret cavanaugh. >> emma for all transformer trial attorney too so i've investigated cases. it's unbelievable. just think of some he walked into an fbi office today and

he said this about what he felt for anita hill. we'll listen and talk about it on the other side. >> i'm sorry i couldn't have stopped the kind of attacks that came to you but i never attacked her, i supported her. i believed her from the beginning and i voted against clarence thomas. >> is that apology enough? because frankly he also did not, as chairman of the committee, allow several other women who could have bolstered anita hill's testimony to come forth and be heard. take us back to what was going on right there. >> absolutely. when we marched over to the senate from the house, i'll never forget it, it's sered in my mind. we walked up the steps and knocked on the door where we knew the democrats were having weekly lunch. a woman opened up the door and she said why are you here? we said we're seven members of congress, we have over 100 years of experience between us, can we come in and urge the caucus to open up the hearings and you know what she said? she said we don't allow strangers in the senate. when tse she said that i a

they have both spent the week lying about the precedent set by the anita hill case. and in every controversy in the confirmation process, the standard procedure of an fbi investigation. they're not doing that for dr. ford. no fbi investigation because their plan is to treat her with even more unfairness than they treated anita hill. anita hill's accusations got three days of testimony in the senate judiciary committee. 22 witnesses were heard. chuck grassley wants one day of a hearing with, only two witnesses. judge kavanaugh and dr. ford. because chuck grassly's job is to do what you heard mitch mcconnell just promise, to plow right through it. the democrats want to hear from all the relevant witnesses and, quote, outside experts who can speak to these allegations. that's always a good idea. but now for fairness it is an absolutely mandatory idea. now that the president of the united states is publicly questioning why christine blasey ford did not report this assault when she was a teenager. the reasons that young girls and women don't report these assaults are well

anita hill was a reluctant person to come forward. the timing is very similar, but the circumstances are changed. one, i think people really have a much better understanding of what a woman goes through in telling her story. i think certainly this is a different cultural moment. as you said, we've seen powerful men be taken down from jobs, and we will see democrats who, unlike the democrats who sat in that hearing of anita hill's very quiet, very silent, these democrats have shown by the hearings and brett kavanagh they will stand their ground. >> they are also not all men, which i think is going to make a difference. do you -- i've talked to a lot of people today about all this and there is a feeling that i think, a rare moment of unity people feel a sense of dread from all this from all sorts of ideological directions. why do you think that is? >> we shouldn't be here. i appeared on your show in june. and i said it was important that we not rush this process forward. that was before brett cav na was nominated. a long life and public

>> there is a lesson in the anita hill experience which is that a abbreviated and inadequate fbi investigation there which lasted for two days ended up in the abusive questions, and second corroborating witnesses. >> red line in an unprecedented action, and president trump orders the declassification of secret documents relate nod the fbi investigation of him and his campaign. is he trying to compromise the russia probe? >> he is really taking the p powers of his office, the powers of the presidency and using them to advance his personal interests which he defines as continuing in this war gaiagain the intelligence community and the war against the fbi rather than protecting the national interests. >> and inconvenient truth. as destructive tornados hit virginia and floodwaters continue to rise in north carolina, al gore warning about the political costs of ignoring climate change. >> every night on the television news is like a nature hike through the book of revelation. >> more from my conversation with the former vice president coming up. and goodday, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washing

anita, brett kavanaugh back at the white house. you are at the white house when a supreme court pick blew up in the face of the president at the time. a different situation. talk about what you think is happening behind closed doors as it relates to brett kavanaugh. >> certainly. this is an environment brett kavanaugh understands and knows well, being in the white house, all hands on deck, people come together and work through difficult times. this is certainly a challenge. i would imagine, you know, brett, of course, he said very publicly, he knows what he wants to say. he believes and he's hoping that people will believe him. so, i'm sure he is reinforcing that at the white house because he needs to have all of the support of the administration, of course, behind him. i think they are saying all the right things as well. they want judge kavanaugh to be heard. once again. we have already heard his knowledge of history, constitution and the law. we can't dispute that. now it's his character on the line and he needs to be heard, but

that was not the stop the presses moment in the anita hill/clarence controversy. there was not any big fight about this. the white house learned there were new allegations of derogatory information about coll clarence thomas since the fbi looked antonio the nominee and documenting derogatory information about him. the white house asked the fbi to look into this new information, too. we actually spoke with boyden gray today about that moment of the clarence thomas nomination. mr. gray confirmed the understanding that we have from looking at the historical record that this was -- it was not a pivotal moment in this controversy. the fbi did reopen its background investigation to thomas to add this matter when the white house asked them to. the fbi when they receive the request, they interviewed anita hill and thomas about it. gray told us by phone today what they interviewed hill about was the basic facts. the fbi inquiry such as it was were basic and quick. if there were any controversies about it at all is it is too unimportant. the very same day, to go look into t

anita served as an assistant to president george w. bush as well as chief of staff to first lady laura bush. she directed the first lady's travel to 67 countries in four years, to support foreign policy objectives in human rights, women's empowerment, global health, and education. she's a member of the u.s. afghan women's council, the international republican institute's women's diplomacy network, the national italian american foundation, and most importantly, a board member of the white house historical association and chair of the committee that organized the presidential site's summit. mark is a president and ceo of the lbj foundation in austin, texas. until recently, he served as the director of the lyndon johnson library and museum for eight years. he has authored four books on presidential history, including his newest book, "the last republicans: inside the extraordinary relationship between george h.w. bush and george w. bush." mark is a commentator for abc news, good morning america, and "this week." and finally, our third pan

one committee member who led the attack on anita hill in 1991 is already saying dr. ford may be, quote, mixed up. and republican media outlets are trying to smear her. i'm here today to say once again, women are watching. we are not going to allow that to happen again. if republicans attack dr. ford and this turns into anything we saw what we saw in 1991, women will rise up and make their voices and republic caps will pay a huge price. i'm hoping that does not happen. i'm hoping that republicans treat dr. ford fairly, work with us to investigate this accusation fully and don't try to jam this nominee through. this is a test for the united states senate on how we handle accusations of sexual harassment and assault. i'm hoping this senate passes it. with that, let me turn it over to senator hirono. senator hirono: i'm glad to stand here with the rest of my colleagues to point out that not only women who come forward and need to be heard but need to be believed, they need to be pleeved. her account is very credible. also the fact that she hardly needs to open herself to

there have been previously concerns about how rough that questioning got in the anita hill hearings, but it's their clear position that they only want the senators conducting the questioning, and you have this issue that there are other witnesses who may have important information. i think there are reasons republicans may be very resistant to do that, particularly mark judge, he could conceivably assert a fifth amendment right not it testify. there is no statute of limitations in maryland for felony sex allegations. it could give him some conceivable criminal exposure. i'm not saying i would expect there would be a prosecution of a case this old. the mere th-- what a mess that would be for republicans. >> you're saying that'sless likely, right? >> i think that's why republicans are not going to be willing to agree at this point. on the other hand if she testifies and she and kavanaugh talk at length about what happened that day 35 years ago it might seem more necessary than ever to hear from him. i think if this hearing goes forward it's likely they won't be able to move on and vote

ford what was done to anita hill.woman watching it is going to say we don't have power. >> and cam lah harris may be the best prosecutor who's ever been on that committee. let's listen to what professor ford's lawyer had to say about this. >> my question to you is does she consider this an attempted rape? >> she does. she clearly considers this an attempted rape. she believes if it were not for the severe intoxication of brett kavanaugh, she would have been raped. >> your reaction to the attorney's description of this. >> well, it's definitely attempted rape. i don't see it any other way. i want to point out something that is again another parallel but also another point of departure between this and the clarence thomas hearings, and that is in the aftermath of the anita hill hearings reports of sexual harassment in the workplace went up 71%. in the wake of the me too movement the national hot line has seen spikes, and what's going to happen on wednesday is that millions of women and men who have been through somethin

anita hill, her whole life was turned upside down.ten to what michael said and he's very careful with his words. i want to say how i feel from the bottom of my heart. when i started out in politics, every one, every party fought for equal rights for every one. it has changed. i don't know why. i believe, as i serve in the united states and i saw what was happening with women's issues. the democrats stood up to fight for their equality, fair health care, being respected in terms of the choices they make about their own bodies and who was on the other side. i debated them day after day. republican men, where are the republican women who should be on that judiciary committee. i know them. they are a solid. there is a hostility toward women. when you have lindsey graham saying that dr. ford was involved in a drive by shooting when she's speaking from her heart through her post-traumatic stress to talk about an incident that she can't get out of her mind. when we have the supreme court nominee on the line and someone accused him of having