joining us is the president and ceo of the national urban league, former mayor of new orleans, joe watkinsrmer white house aide for george h.w. bush let me start with you, mark, the conventional wisdom holds that voters vote their pocketbooks. if that's the case, why is there so much democratic optimism about the midterms this year >> because we're not in normal nor are we in conventional times? the truth is the economy's been on this trajectory with about 200,000 jobs a month for an eight-month period the other truth is, yes, as larry kudlow says, wages are rising but it's not keeping pace with price increases the average american is not feeling the full effect and the full benefit and i think importantly, tariffs, chaos, confusion, turmoil, division coming from the white house is what people are going to vote on in the midterm elections these are not usual times. these are unusual times. and i think voters want to sent a message about the direction, the tone, the manner, the style, the rhetoric when it comes to leadership in this country >> joe, if that's the case, i'm doing all of this