stewart: mmhmm. emily: but history actually repeated itself. stewart: yep.you started another game, that failed. and you started another company by accident. stewart: yep. it was me and three other original members of the flickr team who all worked at yahoo!. we all left, and we said, this time, we can't fail. there's 10 times more people online. hardware is 90% cheaper than it used to be, everybody has faster computers, the internet is faster, and we are all more experienced. but we definitely failed again. so, we moved to a more ambitious project, and we were able to raise more money. emily: this was glitch. stewart: this was glitch. we were working on the game, we were using irc. irc, for those who aren't basically instant messaging. and it's based on what they call "channels"." it's like a chat room. it's a name, you use a hash symbol, which is where twitter got its hashtags from. evidence to us, we are developing this in the background. it was so irritating to have a problem, and then we would address it in a number of minutes and then get back to what