for example, the koch network. koch has been very outspoken on two issues, spending and trade. ken: look, i am bothered by the spending. i am very bothered by the spending. at some point the grim reaper shows up. we cannot long suffer trillions and trillions of dollars of debt. there is no way to rationalize that it is ok to have this kind of debt. at some point we are going to pay the price. david: and what about trade? ken: look, if this is a ploy, god bless him. david: what if it is not a ploy? ken: if he honest to god believes that tariffs are the way, go back to the 1930's. it does not work. you know what? if he is a passionate believer and it is an end in itself, rather than a means to an end, if he is a passionate believer, he is going to pay a price. what price? might not get reelected in 2020. because if this thing backs up on him, look, understand something. he said something the other night -- by the way, i find his appearances humorous. really. i mean, i was listening to him in columbus, ohio, and he sai

for example, the koch network. has been outspoken very outspoken on two issues, spending and trade. ken: look, i am bothered by the spending. i am very bothered by the spending. at some point the grim reaper shows up. we cannot long suffer trillions and trillions of dollars of debt. there is no way to rationalize that it is ok to have this kind of debt. at some point we are going to pay the price. david: and what about trade? ken: look, if this is a ploy, god bless him. david: what if it is not a ploy? ken: if he honest to god believes that tariffs are the way, go back to the 1930's. it does not work. you know what? if he is a passionate believer and it is an end in itself, rather than a means to an end, if he is a passionate believer, he is going to pay a price. what price? might not get reelected in 2020. because if this thing backs up on him, look, understand something. he said something the other night -- by the way, i find his appearances humorous. really. i mean, i was listening to him in columbus, ohio, and

and the koch network is unleashing an ad blitz worth $5 million against three democrats in key senatefor online spending. the dccc announced it has surpassed i think digital fund-raising mark for the 2016 fund-raising cycle with months to go in the 2018 mid terms. they have brought in $190 million online between january of 2017 through july of 2018. the nrcc raised about 145 million over that same period. >>> ken vogel, my question for you is whether the laws of gravity that used to apply to campaign finance still do in the age of trump, because it does seem as though there can be some backlash to the idea of somebody who has blanketed the airwaves with all of the special interest money, especially among democrats. they are explicitly rejecting or asking -- demanding their candidates say i will not take this kind of money. >> make no bones about it. money still is extremely useful in campaigns. >> of course, essential. >> they would rather have money than be outspent. that said, i think what we are seeing is a change -- >> is it still buying the same things is the question? >> the poi

republican causes of actilk bec line with his agenda rather than dead enders part of the chamber of commerce koch brothers networklly, what motives voters much broader than that existential honestly if they don't get handle on the immigration problem in this country never going to be able to pass another tax cut when democrats take over congress perhaps win white house. >> this story in "the wall street journal," that after president trump's first travel ban order googles employees talking internally how they could tweak search results to favor pro immigration organizations, i want your reaction to this news, again, google denied it is just algorithms completely not transparent. but now we are finding out there are there are people left winningers liberals within major companies up to no good. >> we saw that, with leak of videos after election from very top to the very bottom with overwhelmingly this company is staffed by hard-core left winning rirsers very deceptive they are developing a tool to allow chinese government to censor google results censoring conservative voices in sutsen way de-monetizing conservati

, senator john cornyn earlier this year told a koch network donor conference that he wouldn't mind if this nomination slipped a little past october 1st. thebeing it would be good for republicans if this was held closer to election day. it would motivate their base. sometimes you should be careful what you wish for because this is getting pushed back further -- >> i don't think so. i don't think you want this at the top of the question for the people. anyway -- >> no. there are new polls -- go to the new polls. "hardball" 10, top 10 races decide whog controls the senate come next january. according to cbs news poll out right now, claire mccaskill of missouri is tied with josh in missouri. tester and rosendale, he's the incumbent. the two key states hoping to pickup in tennessee, democrat bred esen is leading by five points. in arizona democrat is leading by 7 points. let me start with you. it's tough to pick up the senate. you either win four and lose three. four potential pick ups. you have to win with beto o'rourke. if o'rourke wins anything is possible. can they still win the senate, the democrats? >> first of all, i actually think the