mr. kemp: mr. kemp -- ms. abrams: mr. , you are very aware that i know the laws when it comes to voting. i am an expert on the expansion of voting rights. i have never asked anyone to legally --ho is a illegally eligible to vote to cast ballots. i have asked for those who are legally eligible to cast ballots. we took you to court in 2016 and a federal judge said you will illegally canceled 34,000 registrations. you used the exact system under dispute right now. i realize in the next response, you will say it is a function of my organization because your tendency is to blame everyone else for the mistakes you make. my responsibility as a leader is to see a problem and try to solve it. when i saw we had a hundred thousand unregistered people of color in the state of georgia, i started an organization that has reached into every county and increases registrations. when i saw people were unlawfully denied the right to vote, i held you accountable. as a next governor of georgia, i will continue to do my job to make sure every l

would you like to and around with a rebuttal, mr. kemp? mr. mp: i rebutted the question i asked her. kemp, an mr. independent watchdog group has documented over 10 serious ethical concerns against representative abrams, including campaign resources to sell her books, using campaign funds without disclosing where the money went, inaccurate financial disclosures. should some of that ethical qualification -- someone of those ethical qualifications be elected as governor? mr. kemp: i share your concerns. what is more concerning is ms. abrams being a tasx ttorney. while shet pay taxes took the opportunity to loan her campaign $50,000. i don't think anyone could get away with that. when you are putting politics overpaying the government taxes you owe, that makes you unfit to be governor. times, battling through a recession, and investing in a tough business, my wife and i have always paid our taxes. we will always stand with integrity and the people of the state to honor the good money they are sending us and will spend it wisely. abrams: my opponent

mr. kemp question. ms. abrams: you have placed fighting drug trafficking gangs as your top priorities. we know now that more than 3000 local law enforcement are on food stamps due to low pay. when asked about taking action as governor, you refused to take responsibility, saying it is not a state issue. it should be left to the counties and local governments. my question is this. why is it not the governor's responsibility to make sure law enforcement are taking our state are paid a living wage? mr. kemp: the state government has responded under governor deal's leadership. i am proud to have his support in this campaign. he has increased state patrol pay, other state law enforcement folks, including individuals in the secretary of state's office. that is the duty of the state, not the county government. unlike my opponent, who has been using the same pot of money to pay everybody every that is irresponsible. i have a plan to implement low taxes and have good paying jobs in our state. that will

mr. kemp>> ms. abrams and allies are called to retire, you rejected those calls, i have a two-party question for you, one, do you can impartially see the state elections while also running for governor and your office to recount, would you recuse yourself if a recount is necessary? >> well, thank you so much for having me this evening and i appreciate that question. i took oath of office to serve as secretary of state and that's what i'm going to continue to do. as anyone that knows about elections in georgia, it's our county election officials who are holding the election which is going on right now and will be on election day. local bipartisan election boards tally, certified at local level and hand-delivered to our office, so i'm doing exact same thing that democrat kathy cox was doing when she was running for governor. if we had instance of recould want, that's automatic by state law if lower than 1%, that, again, something that the counties do and we have a very competent elections team t

eboni: mr. kemp, the tree did purge over half a million voters in the voter polls in 2016 and 2017, did that happen? >> is true we are following the law to keep our voter rolls secure. eboni: let's take that down. i agree with you there is a legal way to take off those roles and certainly that is law. i want to ask you specifically about the way you can legally purge people off the rolls. they've removed from the district in order to purge them legally. >> we are following the law. eboni: is a requirement for good-faith belief they moved in order to purge them? >> man, we are following the law. these are people that have had no con tact, no voting, no petition. eboni: is that a yes, mr. kemp that is a lot required? >> if they move they are not in the right district. we are following the law. the obama justice department. eboni: mr. kemp, i will not hi chew on the fact that his legal way to do it. i'm asking you if indeed those people did move because it looks like it's been determined by several expe

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would you consider mr. kemp and his attempt to purge voters in georgia, this is the second time he's done this. would you consider that fake news? >> what are you driving at? guest: one of the message that a misinformation site or in the case of rt a disinformation site uses, they mix real news with false news. the sites i mentioned before, they willine.com, have weather report and baseball scores, but within that they have a phony story about hillary clinton. journalistsspected and i respect them. knowact is people should the news they are getting online from some people -- they changed their name to rt so they can hide the russia part of it. that doesn't mean it's all wrong, that doesn't mean unnecessarily that it should be censored or suppressed. the people should be on the information so they can assess the reliability of that with more knowledge. trying to stop anything. we're trying to do at the library and have been doing since the invention of libraries, logistics operators understand the source of what

under his eight years of leadership mr. kempreated an atmosphere of fear in the state of south carolina. >> on tuesday, kemp said he will not requeucuse himself a. >> the two candidates entered the debate, and both wanted to appeal to their polarized bases in a state where few undecided voters remain. this was the first time we got to see them attack each other face-to-face in ways we previously had only seen in campaign ads. we will get another chance to see them go head to head in a debate this sunday before election day. >> let's look at the hotly contested governor's race. there's something about harry. harry enten, great to see you. >> nice to see you. >> let's start in georgia? >> i wish we started to south carolina, and i could have bought a lottery ticket and wouldn't have to do this. but let's go to georgia. i'm not sure there's a race in the nation with two candidates that are poler opposites. i went back and looked at the records. stacy abrams is in the top 2% for most liberal voting. if you look at the public informa

i'm sorry, mr. kempght at their voter addresses, they've had no notice they've been purged and on tuesday, november 6th, they're going to walk in and find out their registration has vanished. >> this is what you did with your cross-check program. >> yes. >> what's the accomplishment here? what's the hope to accomplish, especially given that we have 25 days before election time. >> that's right. this is a critical moment. there are several lawsuits and demands being made of brian kemp and also of the governor. there's the lawsuit that you referenced and the naacp legal fund sent a strong letter to the government and to brian kemp himself demanding he recuse himself from this process. effectively we have the fox guarding the hen house. and right now kemp has 53,000 feathers on his lips. he has taken african-americans off the voter rolls in disproportionate numbers. as you said, only 32% of the population but 70% of those whose registrations have been frozen. many of them have not received any notice so the

>> mr. kemp, you are very aware that i know the laws of georgia when it comes to voting. in fact, i am one of the most foremost experts in the state. i have never in my life asked for that. i have asked you to allow them to cast their ballots. we took you to court in 2016 and a federal judge said you illegally cancelled 34,000 registrations. you used the same system that's under dispute right now. >> i'm joined by dale ho, director of the aclu voting rights project. there's a policy thing happening here in georgia. there's a fascinating personal story, these two people have been facing off on this issue way before this election happened. >> that's right. >> right? >> that's right. it's been a really interesting dance leading up to this election where you have the person who's been in charge of elections for years now being a candidate. and reaping the benefits of all of the manipulation and all of the voter suppression he's engaged in for years. since 2012, he's been responsible, brian kemp, for 1.4 million registration cancellations. most recently, we found out there wer

partisans running these elections, they get to run the elections even when their candidates, like mr. kempeorgia, who is the republican secretary of state, and the republican nominee for governor, is going to decide who gets to vote in the election that he's running in. that's just a crazy system. >> we got a direct request from the folks who run the social media site called electionland about this georgia race. they write today, voters in georgia, if you are one of the people who has been removed from the rolls, your status says pending on the s.o.s. site, you can still vote if you bring your i.d. and the name matches. here's where we come in. media, please include this in your stories and ensure your headlines are not misleading. but that's what it's come to, ron. and also, walk us through what's going on in north dakota, where senator heidi heitkamp is running for reelection. >> right, a similar situation there. the republican legislature in north dakota passed a law that said if your voting address is a p.o. box, you're not eligible to vote. that disproportionately affects native ameri

. >> mr. kemp, you're out of time. >> the right to vote is a right. i grew up in a family that fought for the right to vote before they were old enough to do so. my father was arrested helping people register. so i take the right to vote very seriously. i only believe that those who have the legal eligibility to vote should cast a ballot. but i also understand that under secretary kemp, more people have lost the right to vote in the state of georgia. they've been purged. they've been suppressed. >> symone, problem for kemp? how bad is it? >> i think it is a problem for brian kemp, and let me tell you why. because this exact match rule, this law used to be a policy of the secretary of state's office. brian kemp said there on the debate stage that he was -- that the new georgia project sued and they lost. that's not true. they sued, and they came to an agreement with the secretary of state's office. and then what happened, the legislature ended up passing the exact policy that the secretary of state made up and codified it into law. so i think this is p

i need to tell you that we asked mr. kemp if he would please join us on the program this evening.esponded. but you know who did? joining us now is stacey abrams. she is the democratic candidate for governor in georgia. ms. abrams, i know you are incredibly busy right now. thank you so much for taking time out to be here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> so you are less than a month out now. polls are showing pretty much a dead heat between you and your opponent. what is your take on how things are going and how you're going run through the next three and a half weeks? >> we are inyesterdayably excited about where we are. in a dead heat. likely in a poll, in a dead heat is a great place to be. we're not only counting on likely voters, but unlikely voters. those who don't normally slow um to midterm elections. and our campaign has been working since june of 2017 to engage and turn these voters out. and we've seen extraordinary numbers. early voting by absentee ballots are up dramatically, and they are including a lot of people of color who've never voted absentee before or par

from georgia, far into his retirement, very active president carter, has issued a statement saying mr. kemp should resign as secretary of state, to not have any question hovering over this election next week. >> the oprah effect and the question that robert costa just raised about legitimacy. vox has a report saying that oprah, university of maryland researchers estimated in a 2008 paper that winfrey's endorsement of obama was responsible for 1 million additional votes for him in the primaries. they also found winfrey's endorsement increased the overall voter participation rate and the number of contributions he received. the oprah effect, the same thing that boosts the sale of books she recommends or products she endorses also translated into support for obama and in a significant way. >> icing on the cake. stacey abrams has this extraordinary ground game. if we look at what she's doing. just before oprah came into view, will ferrell was stumping for her. it's a different kind of demgraphisk. you have close to 944,000 people have already voted in georgia already. that's three times as many

would you consider mr. kempis attempt to purge voters in georgia -- this is the second time he has done this -- would you consider that fake news? ?ost: what are you driving at guest: i don't think any of it is fake news. that athe methods misinformation, or in the case rmation site, is they mix real news with false news. and besides i mentioned to you .com, orlike cbsnews9 whatever it is called, they will have weather reports and baseball scores, but within that, they will have a phony story about hillary clinton or something. yeah, those are respected journalists, and they have to make a living, and they have taken jobs. i respect them, but the fact is that people should know that the news they are getting online from something called rt, and they changed their name from russia today, to rt, to hide the russian part of it, people should know that is paid for by vladimir putin. that doesn't mean it is all wrong. that doesn't mean it is necessarily that it should be censored or suppressed, but people should be a

in a letter to kemp, mr. carter said stepping aside would foster voter confidence.ocks started with a rally, then swooned amid talk of new tariffs on china. the dow jones industrial average lost 245 points to close below 24,443. it had been down more than 560 points earlier. the nasdaq fell 117 points and the s&p 500 slipped 17. and it's time for another party in boston after the red sox wonh world series last night, for the fourth time in 15 years. boston beat the dodgers in los angeles 5-to-1, to take the series in five games. nee city will honor the winners with a parade on way. we turnow to our special "newshour" coverage from florida and to judy woodruff. >> woouff: thanks amna the swing state of florida is yet again provg to be a battleground in this year's midterm elections. from a contentious re for governor to a neck and neck senate contest, key races and down the ballot could decide control of congress and be an indicator for the political direction of the country. of begin our special coverage with a look at somhose important campaigns. >> higher taxes fo

mr. camp, he was evasive -- kemp, he was evasive on many issues. host: what are your predictions?aller: right now, i am thinking the democratic candidate has a pretty good chance right now. i think it is very close. host: do you think your neck senatorwill be -- next will be the former governor? caller: it seems that way. host: what do you think? caller: overall, he has been a remarkably good job over the years so i think he would do a very good job. overall, i pression of mr. scott is that i think he has had a number of issues he has been dodging over the years and i think the whole lake okeechobee and the water mess has been part of that. there are other issues beyond that. host: the governor's debate featuring florida in the spotlight, 10:00 tonight on c-span, c-span.org, and our radio app. from clarksville, tennessee, on that republican line, george. caller: i was watching the news. i do not know if it was talking about the florida or georgia governors race, but it was talking about provisional ballots and they were complaining about how they were mostly from african-americans

mr. ho, thank you very much for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> i understand that you are suing brian kemp, which are. >> what are youim for? >> in georgia, over 1200 absentee ballots have already been rejected. we know african american voters who have voted by mail have seen their ballots rejected at three times the rate of white voters. now what happens in georgia is absentee ballots get rejected for a number of different reasons. one reason your ballot can be rejected is if an elections official, just an ordinary state employee looks at your ballot and decides based on that person's eye that the signature on your ballot doesn't look like the signature on your voter registration form. and they can reject your ballot without ever telling you, without giving you an opportunity to say hey, actually, you know what? that's me. that's my ballot. >> wait. they can reject your ballot and throw it away without ever telling you it's not being counted and that's the reason why? >> well, they're supposed to notify you promptly under the state statute, but that might not happen until after election day in some case. it might no