and here the big table safe and sound is our ukraine correspondent nick connelly makers good to have you here at the big table i mean excellent report there and i mean it's a it's amazing how these people cope with this challenge every step they make is can be a matter of life and death but these are people who've gone through war and have many of them have chosen to come back to their village they may be left at the height of the war so i think there's an element to which these people just don't have any energy left to worry because they're exposed to so many dangers and just have to survive but this is a very real problem just last week two civilians died on the separatist held side they had a power outage in their house they went to look for the problem they opened it was a transformer station and there's a baby trap and two civilians died just last week and that is not is because as you said in the report you know there's no way to really know were all of these landmines in these booby traps or they'll going to be plagued with that for years so on one hand you do have some that e

that's expected to get worse as displaced people slowly return to their homes our correspondent nick connelly has been to meet the people behind the efforts to clear those mines. it may look calm now but just a few years ago these fields so intense fighting between ukrainian government troops and russian backed separatists. over and over again the front lines shifted each time the retreating troops left mines and booby traps behind them. it's now up to civilians to pick up the pieces halo trust is an international ngo and the world's largest humanitarian mine clearance organization the challenge it faces in ukraine are unlike any other conflict own. the most just don't know what makes you queen different is that we have a real problem with tripwire traps our organisation hasn't come across anything like them in other countries our experts have had to come up with new ways of dealing with them. it's back breaking work. a grenade and a trip wire that's all it takes a few summers after the traps were laid the weeds have grown tall making them almost impossible to spot clearing these traps is as

and that report was by idea korean correspondent nick connelly who now joins me in the studio welcome now of a difficult situation there as we saw in your report that fama how are people coping with this tremendous challenge every step could be a matter of life or death for them exactly and also a wider problem than you would expect not having been as this isn't just about the classic anti-personnel mines underground that we hear about more internationally this is about trip was impact mines this could be something simple as going a detached piece of fishing line hidden bush's and they're very durable does a plastic very cheap. kinds of weapons and they can stay in active in i think it for ten twenty thirty years i think the point to remember here the geography of the fighting don't last very densely populated industrial area we have a big city towns and villages all mixed up so this fighting didn't happen somewhere far away that you cannot fence off people need to go through these areas they need to farm and collect firewood so this is all very close to human habitation and this is s