robert woodson. thank you as always. your perspective.appreciate it. >> tucker: we should add that free speech is discussed at great length in my book at, "ship of fools." meanwhile, the migrant caravan is a real thing, despite what they may be telling you on television. they are actual people in it, and it raises actual questions that as a citizen you have a right to ask about. more after the break. ♪ the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining and 4% on entertainment. now when you go out, you cash in. what's in your wallet? >> ♪ >> the caravan, they are wasti >> of the caravan is not wasting time. >> obama and bush both sent the national guard to no effect. >> i am sending the military. this is the military. and one thing that will happen, when they are captured, we don't let them out. what has been happening, and as it pretty recently, we are not letting them out. they would catch and release. we are not releasing. so we are not even doing that. we are not letting them into this country.f >> tucker: that was the preside

. >> tucker: robert woodson is the founder of the woodson center and the author of the triumphs of josephanks for coming on. the obvious question is what do we do? i don't think either side wants to see the level of political intensity we are seeing right now. >> we have been here before. during the '60s when 4 little girls were blown up in a church. we the bombings of dr. king's house. almost killing his wife and child. even in the presence of that, but it stimulated solutions with the civil rights movement engaged in debate within itself. there was debate what is the way forward? the fracturing caused each organization to develop an agenda to change it. we didn't demonize a political party. we came together around solutions. but, it was backed by a spirited debate. debate is missing now. the issues today, the loneliness and leading to suicide in record numbers. violence, isolation. right now, for fin to speak up to address that problem, they are vill vied -- vilified. you have to be on one side or the other. the answer is to give the people their own voice. right now people on the polit