the irs has been out gunned on this for years. people push the limits knowing the chance of getting audited is minuscule. if you do, the irs can't go deep into it. >> they don't have the means or manpower to gout after guys as complicated situations as this. this about paul manafort. he would be a free man on a boat wearing an ostrich jacket right now had he not got in trouble. >> hallie is that you laughing? >> i'm thinking of paul manafort on a boat in an ostrich jacket. >> he was trying to speak like a populist. somebody who would protect the little guy. he was wealthy enough to pay the tacks. it didn't bother him. it seems clear he knew he wasn't going to pay the taxes because he had schemes that the money would disappear. he ran on repealing the estate tax. from this reporting it seems clear why he wanted to rerepeal the estate tax. he based his entire brand, the reason people knew him was because of his apprentice and his books. we know tvs misleit was is lead taj rating. it was central to how people viewed candidate trump an

certainly the irs could continue to go back and -- could go back and try to get money. know, this is related to a long-term strategy on behalf of the republican party to neuter the irs. the irs has had its budget cut year after year. they don't have the resources, and there really is sort of two tax systems in the united states. this story really illustrates it. if you get a salary and you get a w-2 at the end of the year, there's really not much you can do to cheat on your taxes. it just isn't possible. however, if you own businesses as the trump family did, you have essentially carte blanche to cheat the irs and the irs is never going to come back to you. the one risk that the trumps run as a result of this story is that if congress, particularly the house of representatives goes to the democrats and the democrats have oversight possibilities, they could subpoena the irs to get all of these tax returns and expose what really went on here, although "the new york times" seems to have done a magnificent job from a journalistic perspective. but subpoena power is something

she says many decades ago the irs reviewed and signed off on the transactions. >> yes, the irs did looketurns and signed off on them and did push back a little bit in at least a couple cases we found that the irs auditors said wait a minute, you are under valuing assets. it was a pretty modest pushback. because of the events that we are describing, most of them happened in the 1990s in terms of the tax dodges. that's too far ago, that's too long ago. it is past the statute of limitations for criminal accountability for criminal tax evasion, but civil tax fraud, there's no staut statute on that. >> how did the irs miss it? you have spent weeks and weeks -- >> months. >> the irs is supposed to catch these things? >> well, first of all, the irs is rusually looking at a particular year, they are looking at it in small slices, and we are looking at the overall strategy that the trump family employed using pretty sophisticated techniques involving obscure types of trusts. in terms of the way -- our understanding, especially from reporting on what happens in an irs audit when they are looking

>> i think there is a lot the irs can do. the challenge is he oversees the irs. one 0of the richer vein is new york state. they turned reearound and used receipts to justify rent increases on their tenants. and we have depositions where robert trump, donald trump's brother, admits to submitting the receipts to get rent. >> it is fraud on top of fraud. >> the reason that the irs exists is to catch things like this. why did the irs apparently miss so much? >> i think they looked at -- our conclusion is hard to say. they looked at a lot of component pieces of things. did they see the totality of it? were they able to connect this and that? there is a little bit of catch me if you can with the irs and they are under staffed. it is hard to say because we weren't there. we were able to see a lot of pieces and how they fit together. >> it's an important point. >> read the story. >> it's worth every minute. >> it's great reporting. it's a pretty comprehensive set of facts that they have put together. >> maybe your book will be the book on how you got the tax returns. we'l

the irs is a much weakened agency. as been quite devastated i budget cuts over the years -- by budget cuts over the years. and certainly, the irs, not talking about state authorities now, but the federal irs, has said absolutely nothing in response to this article. realistice more accountability that there is this potential for civil fraud, there is the statute of limitations for civil tax fraud. and so both -- in this case, the state tax authority can be very powerful weapon if they decide to actually use it to go back and look at these transactions. nermeen: let's go to some of the mechanisms that you point to in the piece that trump used in order to avoid paying taxes. are and how grats they were used. "theis video accompanying new york times" expose, your co-author susanne craig explains how trump and his siblings came to own nearly all of fred trump's empire without paying estate taxes. >> grat. the trust designed to pass wealth between generations. in 1995, donald trump and his siblings began to take ownership of

the irs has the burden. it's a higher burden of proof, and there's no statute of limitations, but it's very hard to win those cases if you're the irs. and the same for new york state. >> harry, what do you think -- i mean, some folks long said that it was because of connections, financial connections with russia, that's why donald trump didn't want to release his tax returns. no one knows and there's no basis of that because no one has seen it but do you think this gets to -- this would be a reason why he wouldn't want to release his tax returns? >> i think it does, and i think in a sense, we had some clues about this with those partial returns that have become public in the past, showing the claiming of a remarkable -- something like $900 million tax loss and then setting that out for many, many years as an offset. i think if the record is what we think it is, he pays much less tax than one would expect somebody to pay given his life circumstances and the kind of lifestyle that he has. and for all the reaso

. >> the white house put out a statement, many decades ago, the irs signed off on these transactions,another apology from "the new york times," like the one they had to issue like after they got the 2016 election so embarrassingly wrong is in order. not exactly a denial. >> and i don't think we apologized for the election. >> that's right. >> not exactly a denial. and some of these things were reviewed by the taxing authorities. we don't feel like they ever had the whole picture of what was happening. so i think we've pointed out cases where it looks like things were just hidden from them, and that's how it kind of slid through. in other cases, like the one we were just discussing, that was never reviewed by anyone, that we're aware of. >> stay with us. i want to bring in jeffrey toobin, michael d'antonio, and a leading expert in gift and estate tax law. thanks you all for being here. jeff, does this sound right to? >> my hat is so -- i'm so impressed by the quality of the journalism and the care with which this is done. but there's really a larger political message here, which is tha

if it goes to the irs -- >> you can't pull that off on me. trump, only about nine zeros fewer whatever you give to your children. $458, rather than $458 million. neil: "the last supper" painting you're leaving out. carl always good, my friend. >> one of children once had elvis painting. another one wants the dogs playing cards. you have to work that out yourself. neil: i already have. but i can't share that with national audience. karl, thank you very much. my producer is telling me we're getting ready to go to the white house briefing, all the issues minus the velvet elvis might come up. more after this. fast, reliable internet is crucial. does it every go down? yes. can't do my job. business grinds to a halt. our gig-speed network not only downloads files up to 20 times faster, we go beyond fast with 4g backup for complete reliability. so if the unexpected happens... (snaps fingers) you stay up and running. we lost power... but not to that. i want that. (laughing) get fast, reliable internet and add tv and voice for a low price. call now. co

joining me now, a writer who had a great piece on the irs just yesterday in the "new york times." it's a hell of a story. >> amazing piece of reporting, absolutely. >> the thing that struck me is the "new york times" does not say outright fraud without layers and layers of lawyers going through and green lighting that phrase. >> i've never gotten to. it's a very muscularly written piece. they call it outright fraud, call lies, lies, which you don't see in the "new york times," they call donald trump a conman. it is a piece that they felt very confident in writing. and really sort of carried through with the muscular. >> and they have the documents. i mean, they have the documents that show how the family -- they've got the subsidiaries, they've got the receipts. >> and they've got tax returns. >> they've got tax returns. now, to be clear, it's fred trump's tax returns, it's not the golden brass ring of donald trump's return, which we would love to see and which he never disclosed. but it's donald trump -- mine it's fred trump's business and fred trump's tax returns and then all th

this thing with the irs for political action committees to t try to pass themselves off as charities and according to the law it's the job of those people to determine otherwise he would have churches popping up everywhere. i've heard it on various programs it is a minor point they sweep it under the rug. they should have been given medals not criticized. they didn't have anything to do with freedom of speech. you are not free to have a tax-exempt status claim. >> guest: there's a lot of things to unpack. the irs did look at trying to update the rule for the nonprofits and u political work that they do it's very controversial on both sides of the aisle. there's been a lot of debate this year that the johnson amendment that prohibits them from basically coming out for or against a candidate that's something ii also continue. >> host: wanted to ask you whether other super pacs that caught your eye? >> guest: i'm glad you asked. the last caller was a veteran said he might find this interesting one of the few that is basically nonpartisan or bipartisan is the owner fund. they give to bot

is new question the irs said having to investigate the boss.eff sessions was in a tough position like this. we will see what they are able to do. when we look at this report here, the trump's statement said the irs investigated this years ago include them. was that the case? time, asious points in the spans three decades of behavior, it may have triggered some small irs attention or did not. been, this has been audited and put to rest. fred is dead. donald trump's mom is dead, can you let well enough alone. caroline: everyone is dead, clearly. interestingly, we have a quote coming from the piece saying much of the money came from mr. trump because he helped parents dodge taxes and he and his ways around it. can you assess how this is being digested? we have had trump it back significantly about the piece. trump has been critical of this. a littleepublicans be more cautious and not know how to handle this. they have the power. they can ask for trump's current tax returns. there have been multiple votes on the floor to release the returns and the

if this is true, he would be subject to civil fines today from the irs, not crim na because of statutens run, but civil fines. >> the story broke as we walked out. you herod the reporter interview. we scanned the story. thinking how are republicans going to react? tell you, look at it through two lenses. one, this is the same newspaper that just told us about nikki haley's curtain, a complete fabrication and the same newspaper just put a byline on a story hate tweeting brett kavanaugh over the summer and hitting him with the bar story today. i'm not casting apersians on this story or reporter. >> yes, you are. >> in this particular case because of what's happened over the last few weeks, republicans will look on this with a skeptical eye because of these two issues. >> one thing they could do, they won't dough because they'll hide. >> oversight. won't get this out of the congress. maybe the next one. >> look, not looking at it as closely as professional politicos around this table are looking at it. all they know, the president said he was self-made billionaire, and i voted for the guy

hard to see how the irs wouldn't take a look at it. the second thing, anyone who's been involved in these cases in the past will tell you someone who commits tax fraud or any kind of other fraud for decades long, who has a decades-long history of fraud, doesn't just wake up one day and decide to stop committing fraud. and start paying all their taxes. so while the period that's the subject of this story ends in the 9 t'90s, if the irs were to start taking a look at this period and to use that to kind of get under the hood of his business and his personal finances, i suspect you would see that tax fraud and tax evasion has continued to now. and it highlights the point that has been at the forefront with donald trump since he first got into the race for presidency. for president. which is we know nothing about his personal finances. he's been completely opaque about them. >> so for those of us who during the campaign took a cursory look at donald trump's financial statement, which he was required to submit, you will see, david, and this i

this thing with the irs. poor irsoried these workers when they were trying to investigate those political action committees that were trying to pass themselves off as charities. according to the law, it is the job of those people to determine -- just like a church cannot go too far. i support the church. nobody --uestion is, i have heard it on various programs, but it is such a minor point that they sweep under the rug -- these people that work for the irs should have been given medals, not hillary. they did not have anything to do with -- pilloried. they do not have anything to do with freedom of speech. they had nothing to do with tax exempt. host: thank you for the call. we take your point. guest: there is a lot to unpack there. roles thatated their was really controversial on both sides of the isle. that is something that continues. , and that was really controversial on both sides of the aisle. that is something that continues. the johnson amendment prevents them from coming out for or against a specific

kim reynolds: i would have to look at the situation. that irearious aspects cannot send national guard troops to the border. but we need to protect the border. it is important we support illegal immigration. we have over one million illegal immigrants that come to the country every year. we need to make sure we are supporting legal immigration and not illegal immigration. need to make sure i keep ireland's safe. it would depend on what they were asking our resources to be used for but i would be open to sending national guard to the border. i am not going to politicize the national guard by putting it in harms way for political reasons. if there is a serious national threat to the border, i would send the national guard, but not for political reasons. these people do a great job and should not be having their lives put in harms way for politics. we need to support the national guard and public safety. do not have to raise taxes. she claims i will raise taxes. i've changed the priorities in the state. there is money in the state budget but we are

a lot of people are afraid of losing their jobs, disp leasing their position coach, or rising the ire of the fans. there are many different levels of fear. i think awareness is our friend and their friend. you mentioned the idea of players losing their jobs. that is a good segue into the national anthem. >> what issue? did i miss something? [laughter] >> i want to know from the ' perspective, what is the issue with the anthem and how is that going? >> we approach the anthem issue as a free speech issue. relatehat i really to -- to, the civil rights movement or labor movement, those things are a worker'sy tied to ability to use their voice. when the league imposed their we may beterally, only decision i think a union can make. made the only decision i think a union can make. i think we doubt need a rule. the standstill is a good and positive thing. what does football mean existential he? every now and then, and this may sound like sacrilege, but there are things in the world bigger than football. [laughter] >> i know, but there are. if the nfl can be an example of where you allow and e

i want to associate myself with senator lankford, looking at the use of the irs. hat could be through electronic filing, making sure that the forms are identical. then it could be just a voluntary system. there are many things you can do. i have raised the issue of the overall cost per household. we have raised the citizenship question, as i knew we would. if confirmed, let me repeat what i said in the opening, though, 18 months before this began there are so many challenges you need to overcome. we just talked about the hiring. i really do want you to focus on that issue. how do we take this census? how do we get the highest response rate? how do we get the greatest deal of accuracy? and then, following the census, then really start turning your attention to these other issues. but, we have to do it right away. we do not want to wait two or three years before this and then it is too late and we have all these problems. i hope you organize your managerial emphasis, your priorities. let's get the census taken. but, as soon as that's done, we start moving into making

. >> shepard: how did the times find this and the irs never flagged it? in part it has to do with the way the irs looks at tax returns. they're looking at a particular year. they're looking at a particular year's transactions. what we were looking at is a much broader period of time. we also were recognizing in the reporting that we're doing and the sources we're talking to, the trumps were playing a long game. they had a well-thought out strategy of how to avoid or in some cases evade how much amounts of gift and inheritance taxes. when the irs would look at it, they would say you owe us a couple million more. the trumps would say great, that's fine. by paying a full million more here and there, they got away with not paying hundreds of millions on the real estate assets that fred trump was transferring to his kids. >> shepard: the president says this is an old tired boring story. his lawyers say there's nothing to it. it's a hit piece by the "failing "new york times." >> so you can search every story ever written about donald trump and every book written

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high 70 thousands, in terms of employees at the irs. guest: that is 20 years. what has happened in 20 years, in terms of the population. has the population shrunk by 20%? no. 20%?e gdp shrunk by no. everything about the country is bigger and more complex. we should be having more agents and not fewer agents. host: in virginia, good morning. caller: i am an executive of an estate in fairfax. they told me what was happening in dallas, that i would pay the taxes. i have to report and i have to do a financial report and turn that into them. aforgot that i had put out stock. i had to redo it and pay them money. i had to pay the money up front when i went in there. 10% of whatever i thought the estate was. then i had to pay them $30 and filed this report. $30.kept the by next year, i have to report every penny that i spend out of that estate. i have to either type something up, they haven't accounted that goes through it. that is the difference between a trust any wheel? go ahead. guest: it sounds like what you are talking about, if i understand correctly, is the repo

people are scared of displeasing their position coach for their teammates or raising the ire of the fans. again there are many different levels of fear but ultimately the existential issues of player safety, i think awareness is our friend and their friend. >> you mention the idea players losing their jobs. i feel like that's a a good see into talking about the issue with the national anthem and kind of where speedy what issue? >> what are we talking about? >> i missed something. >> i just want to know from the players perspective what is the issue with the anthem and how do you think that's going? >> we approached the anthem issue as a free speech issue, and i believe that certainly given what i relate to, whether it's the civil rights movement or the labor movement, all of those things are inextricably tied to a workers ability to use their voice. when the league imposed their rule unilaterally move who made the only decision i think you need to make. i think that we don't need a rule. i think that what the league is done to agree with us on this stand still is a good thing and a posit

we are looking into this "new york times" report that is out and, that was passed on to the irs without much of a dust off, but they are going back very many decades. i've had a chance to read the entire article, and i don't know outside with the fact that the president benefited from having a rich father and good marketing skills. the view from the kentucky governor matt bevin, on that, after this. at humana, we believe great things are ahead of you when you start with healthy. and part of staying healthy means choosing the right medicare plan. humana can help. with original medicare, you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits when you're sick. but keep in mind you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan can cover your deductibles and co-insurance, but you may pay higher premiums than you do with other plans. and prescription drug coverage isn't included. but, with an all-in-one humana medicare advantage plan, you could get all that coverage plus part d prescription drug benefits. you get all this coverage for zero dollar monthly plan premium in

they negotiated with the irs. change was very small. it did not affect gross income of youngers. it was a normal situation. >> that is time. we're almost of time. the question is, the final question, a recent survey saves more than 80% of iowa voters are worried about the high cost of prescription medication. more than one quarter survey, said they have not billed medication or taken the medication they need because it cost too much. what specifically will you do to reduce drug prices? >> 's is my close? final question. we need to do what we can to control the high cost of healthcare. that's why as governor, last year i worked with the legislature to help provide affordable healthcare for iowans. for iowans who couldn't qualify for the subsidies for unsustainable obamacare, individual healthcare market, we provided alternative healthcare options. they couldn't afford 57% increase in they were seeing, they were paying for more further mortgage than they, for their healthcare than their mortgage. that's why we came together and provided iowans with an alternative. 50% last, will be

although, i think they give it to the irs. the question is, are the two numbers the same, and that is probably why they are reluctant. the reinsurance that the private under law and it is a criminal offense, i criminalis -- it is a offense for it to be shared, i think that is important. i look for your methods of , iteach and mr. kubayanda is good to see you also. i feel strongly that the postal regulatory commission is an -- has an important role. long record of postal service and expertise in postal issues. officeyou left the ig's and i am pleased you are willing to return to public service. it is a little like fingernails on the blackboard that people like you are considered the swamp. you have labored hard and honorably in the public sector. you have left the public sector, and are willing to come back to provide a cup -- a public service. that should be admired. thank you for that. i am worried about the quality of mail service. i hear from people in missouri about the increasing delays and the key to rural missouri in ter

the unemployment rate held steady at ir%. car maker audi has been fined more than £700 million over diesel engines that did not meet emissions standards. audi has accepted the fine and admits responsibility. its parent company, volkswagen, has already warned the fine will hurt profits for the year ahead. scottish power will become the first major uk energy company to generate all its electricity from wind power instead of coal and gas, after selling its final gas and hydro stations to drax. we've had an update on the jobs market this morning — showing that the headline rate of unemployment remained unchanged at ir%, but the pace of wage growth has picked up. wages — not including any bonuses rose — were up by 3.1% in the three months to august compared to a year ago, that's the fastest rate in nearly 10 years. inflation — which measures rising prices — was 2.5%, so it suggests that average incomes are going up faster than prices. earlier we spoke to ruth gregory, senior uk economist, at capital economics. pay growth is now tur

they negotiated with the irs. the actual change in the reserves was very small. it did not affect the gross income of younkers at all and is a perfectly normal situation. my bet i'm sorry but that is time and we are almost at a time for the debate today. instead of a closing statement we want and with each candidate responded to the same final question. the winner of the coin toss at the first. the question is, final question, a recent survey shows more than 80% of iowa voters are worried about the high cost of prescription medication. more than a quarter of i once surveyed say i have not filled medication or taking medication they need because it costs too much. what specifically do to reduce drug prices? reynolds: is this my close wax my best final question. reynolds: okay. >> moderator: we're not having a closing statement, we need to do will begin to control high cost of healthcare and that's why as governor last joint work with this legislature to help provide affordable healthcare for iowans, for i went to couldn't qualify for the subsidies for unsustainabl

president. >> this would be, in any standard candidate you'd look at their liabilities being in debt to the irs, in not small dollars, six figures, would be considered a huge political liability. she's neutralized it but seeing her campaign in rural georgia in what traditionally was the black belt in some of the places where voter turnout is most important. she not only neutralizes it but turns it into an asset. i've lived the life you've had. i've had a brother who is in jail, parents with health care struggles. i piled up debt and i've met my responsibilities. i'm not a shirker. i'm not trying to defraud the government. i just need a little time to get this stuff paid off. you see people on the ground. they think it's great in some ways. >> exactly. >> how she's handled this particular challenge because it's familiar to so many people. >> robert costa, let me give you the last word. it's about oprah winfrey. donald trump inspired to weigh in when oprah winfrey gets in the ring. are you predicting or expecting some engagement with oprah tomorrow when she's on the trail with stacey abrams? >> t

they negotiated with the irs and the change in reserve was very small and did not affect the gross income of yonkers at all and perfectly normal situation. moderator: that is time. were almost out of time for the debate today. instead of the closing statement we will end with each candidate responding to the same final question. winner of the coin toss will answer first. the question is final question, a recent survey showed more than 80% of iowa voters are worried about the high cost of prescriptive medication. more than one quarter of iowans surveyed say they not filled or taken medication they need because it cost too much. what specifically will you do to reduce drug prices? governor. >> 's is my close? moderator: final question. >> we don't have a closing statement. >> we need to do what we can to control the high cost of healthcare and that is why as governor i worked with the legislator to help provide affordable healthcare for iowans for iowans who cannot qualify for unsustainable obamacare individual healthcare market. we provide them alternative healthcare options. they can affo

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he says all of these transactions were approved by the irs. t trump has not disclosed his tax returns, ha repeatedly sayss he won't show his tax returns. this is a practice many presidents do, have in the past. shery: we are watching president trump at the moment as he is speaking to the crowds in mississippi at his latest "make america great again" campaign. he spoke about kavanaugh, essentially doubling down on his support as supreme court nominee as this fbi investigation could wrap up soon. jodi: he came out with a statement saying it is sad, a s cary day for men in the u.s., that they are guilty before proven innocent on such kinds of charges. the investigation continues, will continue this week. the senate is expected to have plymouth area votes. -- have preliminary votes. mitch mcconnell saying that, also that only senators will see the fbi report, and it should not take them long to read. two womenr the women, who have accused judge kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, say the investigation needs to be more thorough. we will continue to moni

. >> >> why did the irs do this? ell, the trump family valued their property at say, like, $5 million that was really worth $80 million and then they would say we think you ought to add $2 million to that chl. they were so outrageous the irs could not keep up with this fraud. >> and how do we take his word on what he says about the federal government and macroeconomics. trump won't release his tax returns because he says they're under audit. watch this song. >> i will absolutely give my return but i'm being audited now for two or three years so i can't do it until the audit is finish. obviously. i'll release them when the audit is completed. my tax returns are very simple. they're under a minor audit, routine audit as they have been for many years, every year i get audited. at the appropriate timely but right now i'm under routine audit, nobody cares. the only one that cares about my tax returns are the reporters. >> reporter: you don't think the american public is concerned? >> i don't think so. i won. i became presi

talking about how democrat senator elizabeth warren has been completed tax deductions and the irs taxth warren telling the irs that she had basically donated $190,000 worth of clothes and household items over a five-year period. in one year, $50,000 for the charitable donations in clothes and household items. charities in 2014. a spokeswoman for the senator's office now sagging there is a mistake on those 2014 tax returns, that deductions were inflated enron. that is the original value of the donated clothing that year was not $50,000. it was about $8000. senator warren massachusetts republican senate nominee jack steele joins me now. great to have you, sir, what is your take on the story? >> liz, great to be here. i don't think there's a thousand dollars worth of clothes and my house with my wife and two daughters in me. to have 8000 you can donate a way to lower your taxes, pretty astounding. elizabeth warren, somebody who wants to raise people taxes and lower her own as a hypocrisy of course aired by the way, she was on a national network a few weeks ago saying that she wants to ra

by the way, the irs did attack the valuation and the irs did get adjustments. >> martha: up. od of growth in real estate -- >> by the way, mark zuckerberg has a grant, you get to go things. a discount if you don't have stock, and you get a minority discount. basically, the trump estate passed and the children had to make pay one-third of the balance in annuity payment. they are going to get the legal evaluations of massive deductions. i think it is suspect to say there is a nefarious scheme going on, but in fact it was made famous by walton, of walmart family, in 2000. >> martha: you either have to change the tax code, and all the tax attorneys who make their living off of crafting these and reading the letter of the law so people can basically do what they can within the law. >> completely. >> martha: you did not see anything completely illegal in here? >> it is hard to make that assessment had one thing that stuck out to me, the attached documents, they made a big deal about this all county building, where basically -- fred basically would buy -- pay for all of these purchas

and that's one reason why you can never get anybody on the phone at irs. they're totally overloaded on the phone and customer service is extremely damaged as a result. and the republicans, they really have the blame for this in congress, are doing it every year and they are aiding and abetting tax evasion, not tax avoidance, tax evasion. lawlessness all over the country. in this area. there are a lot of other examples, and i really don't have that much time, but i would like to point out that billing fraud is a massive problem and we need young litigators to start practice in class actions, in all kinds of litigation. they would make a ton of money in this area. in the securities area, the brokerage area, the billing of suppliers, billings, wage theft, $60 billion in wage theft according to the economic policy institute, pretty reliable think tank in this country. so what happens when you have mass lawlessness that is institutionalized? you have mass immunity, mass impunity, and you have a level of recklessness that is not adequately reported and disclosed

many decades ago, the irs signed and reviewed these transactions. sarah, the million dollar thing, you got to be careful, she tells the story that the president tells, he only gave me a million, i paid it back with interest. we now know that's not true, if you keep saying you know it isn't true, you wind up owning that untruth yourself. it raises a question. is this why trump won't show us his taxes? is he moving the money the same way? let's bring in the experts, michael zeldin used to investigate kneexactly these transactions for the government. jennifer and steven. michael let me start with you. legally, i don't see it, statute of limitations maybe on the civil side, fines, when you look at what's in this report by the times, what gives you pause? >> so you always have to, in these matters, make sure that you understand the difference between lawful tax avoidance and illegal tax evasion. you have to really parse these transactions almost transaction by transaction to see whether or not they were taking advantage of loopholes in the tax code or end

many decades ago the irs reviews -- reviewed and signed off on these transactions. >>> the investigation into supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh good and today. doug, they are now questioning the claim. >> reporter: the fbi was given one week to carry out the investigation and they may be done ahead of time and if in fact it's coming off today it will touch off a new wave of debate on capitol hill. >> president trump facing a large and adoring crowd in mississippi and he did not hold back much when he questioned the veracity of christine blasi ford who accused supreme court nominee of sexual assault. >> where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't no. >> boards attorney went to twitter and called in a vicious, vile attack. in the meantime the fbi and we'll wrap up as early as today which could clear the way for a full senate confirmation. >> the fbi report will be finished and we will vote this week on the camera not nomination. democrats have moved beyond the report questioning kavanaugh's temperament and seeking more delays citing mcconnell'

millions of dollars and companies he controls including his law firm also owes the irs millions moreunpaid taxes and judgments. this guy. >> laura: president trump set him up! you know what? what i find fascinating is some on the left because he blew up the kavanaugh situation with the unfounded allegations that he was some sort of gang rapist, now -- >> laura: leo. >>. >> laura: leo you're not going to endorse avenatti early for 2020? no h. laura i'm not en caring avenatti i'm simply saying give the guy a chance. he has the right to appeal p he can make a -- he has a judgment against him. no, i'm not endorsing him. >> laura: who hasn't been evicted every now and then. >> or paid millions in back taxes. come on. >> laura: i'm going to have to lend him money. maybe he should start earning an honest sglifg you will guys have destroyed him. >> laura: president trump was mocked for saying we don't know what kind of people the migrant caravan, but is he wrong? the lar raid doe texas border chief tells us who they have scooped up just in the last year, don't go away. i don't know how to sa

spam calls last year, many of them about your credit cards and others claiming they are calling from the irs. there are absent features available to stop these calls. google just unveiled the new call screening feature on his latest one. artificial intelligence can answer an unknown number and then give a transcript of who the caller is so you have the option to answer the call, or mark it as spam. other cell phone companies have acknowledged company called stir shaken. it requires all calls to carry a dignan jewel -- digital signature. verizon wl out the system later this year. >>> a nationwide recall of nearly 800,000 pounds are ready to eat meat and poultry products over salmonella and my stereo concerns. containing a contaminated onion ingredient. they were made for the grocery chains trader joe's and harris teeter. so far no illnesses have been reported. >>> a look at the big board right now with just over 45 minutes to go. the dow is down abouoint >>> tickets to the broadway musical, hamilton, are on sale at san francisco's orpheum theater. one woman told our photographer she was first

we have enough evidence now to know from the lowest learner hearings, in action, the irs was weaponize by obama. the fbi was weaponize by the obama administration. so it was not surprising they wanted to get control of the internet. i think that is why we should be very concerned whenever these democrat-led states get control of the internet. that is why i support the department of justice lawsuit. guest: i think the u.s. made a wise policy in the 1996 telecom act to have a hands-off policy. thee was controversy at time. the internet has been a government network. in the early 1990's it was commercialized and then finally commercial companies could use it, and then you saw the development of the web, a version of the internet that we recognize today. when congress was updating the telecom act, they had this question, do we regulate microphone system, cable system, system?another they came to the conclusion with the clinton administration to take this nonregulatory policy. technology, fast evolving, competitive. it was wise policy because it cap this young technology developing. the eco

but even more importantly, the congress should make sure that the irs has resources. you know, john, the irs's budget for enforcement has been drastically cut over the last decade. the enforcement staff has been cut by one-third for the numbers of cases both in criminal enforcement and auditing have been reduced. that's one of the reasons why the trump evasion scheme as described in the new york times article in exhaustive detail may never have been pursued. >> thanks so much for being with us. >> let's bring in our panel. we have political anchor and cnn commentator lewis and great to have both of you. will the real mr. trump please stand up? because there was, as you know, he got a lot of credit for being so measured about christine blasey ford. he called her credible. and last night he mocked her. i just wonder. you have covered politics for so many years. what goes on inside the communications shop of the white house when the president does this? is his team pleased or mortified? >> they're energized because they've got a lot of work to do. once the president move

gave is one of a pattern of deceptive practices and the question is, you know, how much insight to the irs have had into this, shell companies, layers to distance and get around the gift laws in particular? >> and the "times" says it documented 295 distinct streams of revenue. that fred trump created over 50 years, to channel wealth to his son. >> so -- >> almost 300 ways of getting this money to donald trump jr. >> and you know, this would be the allegations in this article, as i say, one reason why the president repeatedly has refused to release tax returns. if he were to release his tax returns and the "new york times" said they got thousands and thousands of pages of information on tax returns, didn't get that. if they had ax to his tax returns, it would be very, very bad for the president. >> it would be a lot harder for him to say that, you know, they've got it wrong or it's not true. if you could put his tax returns side-by-side to the other returns. you know, it's interesting that their attorney is just saying that this is 100% inaccurate but not providing any explanation around it

donna strickland and two other scientists were honored for the ir groundbreaking inventions in the field of laser physics. ♪ phil: i'm phil gayle. welcome to the program. authorities in indonesia say the death toll from last week's earthquake and tsunami is now more than 1200. meanwhile, survivors are growing angry at the government's response with aid slow to arrive. people in the disaster zone are runnining short on food, fuel, d other essentials. reporter: : days after the devastatining earthquake a and tsunami, survivors are still struggling to get hold of aid. fuel is in short supply. here, people are trying to collect as much petrol as they can. officials are trying to assure them that more is on the way. >> logistical aid is coming in, so the support being offered to refugees is better compared to day one, day two, and even yesterday. but we still need time to take care of all the problems because supply chains have been disrupted in the disaster zone. reporter: aid shipments wilil have too contendith h power outagegeand damageged ruins like this. the damaged infrastructure is als

new york times" on the inner workings of the trump family finances and questionable dealings with the irs. >>> to the pentagon where moment letters containing ricin were intercepted before they got to the secretary of defense and others. >>> a new alertinour cell phone that will have hundreds of millions of phones blaring at the conquered for a world record by a fearless female surfer. "early today" starts right now. >>> good morning. i'm phillip mena. >> and i'm marlie hall. president trump switching gears as he defends his supreme court nominee and taking aim at brett kavanaugh accuser dr. christine blasey ford. at a mississippi rally last night, mr. trump took a turn from the generally measured tone he's taken toward ford, instead openly mocking her. >> 36 years ago this happened. i had one beer, right? i had one beer. well, you think it was -- nope. it was one beer. oh, good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years al wgo was it? i don't know. i don't know. and a man's life is in tatters. a m

. >> that's not the irs. >> hello, this call is from microsoft security department. >> reporter: that isn't microsoft. how do the robocallers do it? and why do our phones keep ringing with so many scams? >> over 3,000 calls being made every second to americans. >> reporter: vice president at tel tech, a company that makes an app called robo killer. >> 40% of the calls you can trust the caller id. >> reporter: we asked how they spoof caller id. he told us it's pretty easy. >> with spoof card you can change your number. >> reporter: they make an app that allows any number to show up. on doctor on call may need to legitimately hide her number. >> it was the way for people to see who was calling, but it got co-opted over time. >> the best estimate last month was 1.4 billion scam calls in the u.s. >> reporter: for years youmail has tracked the rise in computer phone calls and built apps to block them. why not just ban all robocalls? >> we need to have a better definition of what robocall is. >> reporter: attorney eric troutman's clients are banks and pharmacie