host: jeff m is joining us fromikulin honolulua -- jeff mik ulina is joining us from honolulu. what are they doing right? caller: some of the states are just blessed with great natural resources. in the northwest, you have a lot of hydroelectric from the large rivers. some of the other states have excellent wind resource. it is tapping into those indigenous resources that are renewable. we like to point to iceland. they were renewable in the 1970's. they were able to get off carbon-based fuels decades ago because they relied on local power. state-by-state is going to be unique. host: california wants to follow the lead of hawaii and be dependent on clean power by 2045. how does it -- how does a state like california do that? caller: that is a great question. they are going to muddle through and figure it out. there has been some good modeling done by experts at berkeley and other places looking at what the various scenarios could be. california will have no problem achieving 100% renewable clean energy. the two questions are, what does the cost look like? and the second importa

host: jeff m is joining us fromikulin honolulua -- jeff mik ulina is joining us from honolulu. what are they doing right? caller: some of the states are just blessed with great natural resources. in the northwest, you have a lot of hydroelectric from the large rivers. some of the other states have excellent wind resource. it is tapping into those indigenous resources that are renewable. we like to point to iceland. they were renewable in the 1970's. they were able to get off carbon-based fuels decades ago because they relied on local power. state-by-state is going to be unique. host: california wants to follow the lead of hawaii and be dependent on clean power by 2045. how does it -- how does a state like california do that? caller: that is a great question. they are going to muddle through and figure it out. there has been some good modeling done by experts at berkeley and other places looking at what the various scenarios could be. california will have no problem achieving 100% renewable clean energy. the two questions are, what does the cost look like? and the second importa