mr. wiegel and this client have had, so i'm not going to speak to that. >> vice president swig: okay. >> commissioner tanner: what did you imagine was going to happen when you came here tonight? >> this exact circus that happened here tonight. >> commissioner honda: and i'm sorry. i've been calling you counselor. are you an attorney at law? >> i am. >>clerk: okay. [inaudible] >> president fung: excuse me. you can't speak from the audience, but you guys have the time. if you guys want to present something representing the permit holder, you're welcome to use your time. >>clerk: well, they -- [inaudible] >>clerk: right now, we are on rebuttal. how much time do they have left, gary? [inaudible] >>clerk: okay. so we have three minutes for rebuttal. if you want to have the property manager speak during the rebuttal time, that's fine. >> well, maybe we better approach -- >> president fung: no, no, the question is do you want to use your rebuttal time? >> sure. >> president fung: okay. then start the clock. [inaudible] >>clerk: he was answer questions. please don't have a seat. >> i don't have