joining us is paul meeks and paul holland guys, it's great to have you with us on a big day as this raceul holland, between microsoft and apple now, the divergence over the past couple of months is striking. what do you think is going on here >> well, i think what's fascinating about that is you could have said this 15 or 20 years ago. these two heavyweights are back in the ring battling it out and i think is news in and of itself but you've got two very different businesses going on. microsoft is almost an entirely software-driven business with xbox and some other parts of it. and apple has done a brilliant job managing hardware. i wouldn't doubt you'd see these guys cross over back and forth for a while. >> paul meeks, you look at microsoft, it's up about 27% over the past 12 months. apple barely up 1.5% i wonder how much of this is just a moment in time where apple is at maximum doubt or much of this is maybe the market shifting toward enterprise giving more valuation to cloud names. what do you think is going on? >> i think that's a very good point. when i take a look at both of thos

it was caricatured and i include ines in this picture, but this is where alice paul's pr genius comes out. i knew holland was a labor lawyer, an incredibly smart and accomplished woman and the breathlessly sexist press of the day never failed to mention how pretty she was. they all called her the most beautiful suffragist and alice paul basically said if you'll talk about how cute she is, and i'll put her in a white dress on a white horse and a star, and that way i'll get press coverage and beat you all at your own game. so alice started the parade in her fabulous horse. here are the nurses marching in formation. so we're right at the capitol, right? everyone is getting ready to go down the way and then efrj was going to progress to 15th street and this is the feminist -- and the statue of hamilton wasn't there at the time and there was going to be a live tableau. it was anal go aligore and there children in toegas and balloons and live doves and it would all play out on the treasury steps which now, as then, had big, broad marble flat stage in front of it. so jane burrellson gets up on her horse and the