democracy" examines how he believes president putin is undermining president politics and he joined alicia menendez in new york to talk about it. >> malcolm, thanks for joining us. >> it's my pleasure to be here. >> my first question is an important one. >> sure. >> how does one become a spy? >> well, first off, i'm not a spy. >> um-hum. according to whom? >> according to the definition of what a spy really is, and that's terrible, because i am on the board of the international spy museum in washington, but there are two types of actors in the intelligence community -- we, who are actually running intelligence operations, collecting intelligence, we tend to refer to ourselves as intelligence collectors. the actual people like at the cia who do it are cia officers, not agents, but the people that we get to betray their nation, let's say in a human intelligence operation, or to bring in a wire tap, a bug or something like that, plant it for you, they are the spies. >> and what drew you to this work? >> well, you know, i grew up in philadelphia, and i come from a military family, a very old, military