delaware the delaware chancery court who gave a speech two years ago called the block chain plunger and he talks about how this technology is finally going to clean up the capital markets and he said to the buy side these are the the fiduciaries of our pension money our four one k. money our our insurance money our mutual funds the long only by side these are the folks who should be pushing back to really clean up all these practices because as he points out the the sell side banks like like the investment banks and like the stock exchanges are making a lot of money off this they're they're getting bit off or spreads and fees off trading assets that don't exist right now and they charge of interest on the. imaginary securities that they're lending into the marketplace and it's a huge profit center for them now you did a podcast recently with trace mayer yes and this occasion topic came up and so there is an interesting situation that they claim because it will all three up on occasion all these schemes are enabled by the fact that securities are held in street name yet they're not held