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conservatives have long said, including the president's lawyers, john dowd, the president's former lawyer used to say that flynn never lied to

maureen dowd, what did youtake away today? >> well, judy, it was heartwarming to see w.'ible emotion toward his father. but it was also kiof heartbreaking because, you know, i've spent decades covering the family, and the ther, you know, constantly worried that dick cheney and donald rumsfeld were leading w.positive astray on the iraq w, and the neocons were leang him astray, and i think w. did not want to seek his father's advictor hear wha he had to say about the invasion of iraq. and then it tooyears andars before he came around and realized his father was right and distanced himself from but by that time, it was too late. it was the worst mistake in icy.ican foreign pol so, you know, to see all that emotion, you just wish that, you know, they had been more mentor and protegeg dure time they needed it. >> woodruff: a lot of complex strands run thriewg tha a relationsh his relationship with others in hisi . margaret warner, you also covered him as a candidate. you've covered-- you've known the bush family. did they capre the complexity i george bush. today. hink it's ve

dowd knew but could not bring himself to say to the president, you're a f-ing liar. that's how the book ends, f-ing liar. earlier in the book, he does tell the president this. you do have trouble staying on the subject, ask that can defeat you. then you try to catch yourself, and you misstate something, and then, bam. it's like mike flynn not remembering the conversation with kislyak. there's the president's criminal defense lawyer telling him if he testifies under oath in the mueller investigation, he will commit perjury. and on that same page of the woodward book, dowd simplified his advice to the president this way. don't testify. it's either that or an orange jumpsuit. when john dowd and the criminal defense lawyers watched what trump did in the oval office today, none of them were surprised. and all of them knew what they were watching was a version of what would happen to donald trump if he had to testify under oath, answering questions from robert mueller. in the oval office today, the role of robert mueller was played by chuck schumer. >> one thing i think we

i was reading maureen dowd. i love maureen dowd. >> laura: this rank revisionism is stunning and they regularly spewed vile against george h.w. bush. boyden, you worked at the white house. i was here as a young reagan staffer. they were trashing himp. maureen dowd who is lionizing him today. i love her writing. it's very fun. she used to belittle the bushes like what they watched. what they listened to for music. i was reading a column from may 1st, 1990, she called them the gracious cruise director of international politics, lampooned him for patting barbara on the derrier during the dukakis campaign. that's the nice stuff she said about him. as for the relationship with the press as we alluded to earlier look at this 1987 "newsweek" cover, bush considered it the cheapest shot of his career. referring to him as the wimp factor. how about this relationship with dan rather during a 1988 interview. >> well, dan, let's be careful here -- >> i want you to be careful, mr. vice president. how do you explain -- you can

can't prove it, you can't talk to my lawyers, you talked to dowd, dowd's lawyers says he didn't expose me to criminality so he must not have said what you're saying right now otherwise they'd be lying left's assume dowd's lawyer is acting in good faith so you can't show that i knew. even if i did know, that's not a crime and it's not obstruction of justice for me to know about what's going on. you have to show i engineered the same. >> well, let me begin by saying we always assume we've had the last word from mr. mueller and his team and the team in the southern district always surprise us so there's still facts to emerge about who received the testimony and who within the white house was in receipt of information about mr. cohen's tension to lie. but now let's take this to constitutional precedence. when richard nixon was impeached, he was impeached for lying publicly about the investigation into watergate and whether one occurred. he was impeached for lying about the activities of his campaign to try to win the election in 1972, his reelection in 1972. now if donald trump knew michae

bush wrote to hour recent dowd, he said, i reserve the right to whine, to not read, to use profanitiy, but if you ever get really hurt or if you ever get really down and just need a shoulder to cry on, or just need a friend, give me a call, i will be there for you. i will not let you down. now, if george h.w. bush who was skewered by the media throughout most of his political life had decided to call anybody an enemy of the people it would have probably started with maureen dowd, but he understood that the press wasn't the enemy of the people and even said basically at the end of the day, we're all in this together, and i will be here for you, just like i know you would be here for me. what a remarkable difference between 1988 and 2018. >> george h.w. bush never more than in the recollections that maureen has in that wonderful column was for a son of the elite a down to earth guy. he was funny, he was self-deprecating, he couldn't quite figure out why he liked this "new york times" columnist, but he did, and he kept writing to her. i think one of the things i liked most about him was

. >>> we also have with us this morning matthew dowd, our chief political analyst. matt joins us from bush's home state of texas. matt, you worked with george w. bush, 43. what are your observations on this morning? >> well, i got to know 41 through 43 having worked for him, and as everyone has said up until today, he was such a decent, kind, gentle man, but one thing, don't be fooled, i got to know 41 in politics. i worked for lloyd bentsen, who was a senator from texas who beat then president bush in 1970 and i worked for bush in '88 when bush beat bentsen in texas. but george herbert walker bush was extremely adept at the rough and tumble of partisan politics. there's no question about it. he was a decent, kind man, but he would bring out the bare knuckles in a political race if that's what he thought he had to do to win. he was just such a decent man and i think he's such a commitment to public service and one line from his -- in the inaugural speech in '89 that i think signifies his life is when he said, america is such an important part of a country that stand

maureen dowd described thousands of arena seats being covered up in toronto due to poor sales.s began in the hundreds of dollars, felt to single digits by the end because nobody wanted to buy them. is america finally mercifully getting over the clintons? author and columnist mark steyn joins us tonight. to assess. before we assess what's obvious, which is, their time is over, the deeper question is why don't they know that and what is speaking to her about? >> i would have thought that if you didn't know before, looking out -- maureen dowd overestimated the number of seats. it a was actually 83.4% empty, e arena in toronto. 83.4% empty. i believe actually the last time i guess toasted for you it was 83.4% empty. >> tucker: i saw the numbers, that's not true. >> when you're president -- you should always listen very carefully when the public is telling you goodbye. and that's what the 16.6% seating capacity was telling the clintons. >> tucker: but i wonder what -- it's not surprising either, and i have to say in their defense, they played this out a lot longer than i ever though

he kept up with us, i was just reading mauer reason dowd. >> this rank revisionism is stunning. they regularly spewed bill crystal against george h.w. bush. they were trashing him and maureen dowd by the way who is line thighsing him today, i love her writing it's fun. she used to belittle the bushes, what they watched, what they listened to for music. i was reading a column from may 1st, 1990. she called them the gracious cruise director. they lampooned him for patting barbara on the derriere during the campaign. as for his relationship with the press, look at this 1987 newsweek cover. bush considered it the cheapest shot of his political career. check it out. you can read it, referring to him as the wimp factor. how about this great relationship with dan rather during a 1988 interview? >> well, dan let's be careful here, because you're -- >> i want you to be careful mr. vice-president. how do you explain that you can't remember. >> because i wasn't there at that point. >> you weren't in the meeting. >> i'm just saying i don't remember it. >> i don't want to be argumentative mr

matthew dowd from texas this morning, we appreciate it. thank you. >> great to be here. >>> now to a new report highlighting security failures in the parkland school massacre. >> this as chilling images emerge of the accused shooter inside marjory stoneman douglas high school during the attack. abc's erielle reshef is here with the details on that. erielle, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, guys. those images from inside the high school showing the moments leading up to that deadly rampage and a series of apparent security failures by police and school officials. a warning if there are children in the room, the content here may be disturbing. >> possible shots fired at stoneman douglas high school. >> reporter: this morning chilling images and 911 calls from the parkland massacre painting a time line of terror. 19-year-old nikolas cruz seen here loading an ar-15 in the hallway of stoneman douglas high school as a frightened freshman walks past. "the sun sentinel" reporting that according to that freshman cruz telling him, you

so much to discuss here so let's bring in matthew dowd. matt, good morning. one thing is clear as we sift through the news and the white house is reeling pointing this out as well, nowhere in these filings do we see any evidence that donald trump himself colluded or conspired with the russians. >> well, i think we have to loo of the series "scandal" and all of us want to binge-watch it and get to the and and i think he's just allowing us to see one episode at a time, but let's keep in mind thing, all of these filings yesterday an the filings we've seen over the course of the last two weeks point to people very close to the president who were talking to the russians in the course of this, who were working with the russians in the course of this and the only open question today is -- and they tried to cover up those meetings and those conversations or lie about them, that mueller is alleging all of that in these filings, but we don't know yet if individual one who is mentioned in the filings who is the president was in direct contact with those people about wha

. >> now i have to start liking maureen dowd. [laughter] >>host: but it is true when your father got to washington as a junior member of the house there was a bond that a lot of those people have because they served in world war i to together - - world war ii together that was a bigger connection than the party did he view himself as part of the greatest generation quick. >> they are great because they did not talk about it. i was reading one of the books i did not realize, i knew he was shot down in the pacific i did not realize had they got to him before the submarine he could have been cannibalized because that garrison commander was convicted and executed for war crimes of cannibalism. in our world or generation about how great i was they put that away and moved on with theiriv life. he did not talk about it but the bond was powerful there t were others as well from washington's reflection if you were a rotarian how many people here are? if you are and ashamed to raise their hand. [laughter] twenty-five years ago if i asked t

. >> you reported john dowd once president's former lawyer. last year having discussions ith manafort and flynn's lawyers. robert: we're going to have leave it there. we're a live show. we're going to connue that on the podcast. we will continue this conversation on the "washington week" podcast. you can find that friday after 10:00 p.m. and also on your favorite podcast app. i promise we'll get there. i'm robert costa. have a great weekend. ud thanks for joini announcer: funding is provided by -- financial services firm raymond james. newman's own foundation, donating all profits from newman's own food products to charity and nourishing the common good, the ethicsn journalism foundation, ku and patricia ewinghrough the ewing foundation committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. the corporation for public broadcasting, and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning performed by che nationalaptioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content itd accuracy.vcicap.org] -expl

there's no conversation with matt dowd that doesn't involve a good analogy. thank you very much, matthew. really appreciate it on a saturday morning. >> no problem. >> special counsel robert mueller's team answering claims from former national security adviser michael flynn that he was essentially tricked into lying to the fbi about his conversations with russia. prosecutors say he should have known not to lie to federal agents. flynn will be sentenced next week. this comes as new filings with the department of justice show that the investigation into russia's interference with the 2016 election has already cost more than $25 million. >>> and the department of homeland security is launching an investigation into the death of a 7-year-old girl who died while in their custody. the girl now identified as jakelin caal mcqueen. authorities say jakelin who had traveled from guatemala crossing our border illegally with her father showed no signs she was sick before she suddenly stopped breathing. she eventually died after being airlifted to a hospital. >>> now to th

i was reading maureen dowd. i love maureen dowd. apparently he did, too. be difficult on republicans, she always got a letter back from him. he always returned the letter. he took the time to write. to keep up with people. and did not end the ability to keep talking. an old friend of mine once said always be able to talk. george bush never closed the bridge. never shut it down, despite politics. and he stuck with people long after they were in favor. i thought that was something. when rostenkowsky went to prison, he stuck with him and that's the measure any of person. john mclaughlin, always great. why do we meet like this? but anyway, it's great. thank you so much. general mccaffrey, thank you for your service. joe watkins, i'm learning more about you. and giancarlo, thank you, sir, for your kind remembrance. kasie hunt, my colleague, of course, robert costa of "the washington post," i want to thank you. nicolle wallace is going to pick up our special coverage right now. >> thank you, chris. the body of president george h.w. bush arriving at joint base an

for havingu oh god, ann dowd president bush -- endowed president bush.is service to others might be an inspiration to all americans, indeed to all the world. as we continue the celebration that all toant attend to this proceedings my desire to be our best selves in service to all our brothers and sisters as you might call us to be. lord, thank you for inspiring such greatness in president george h.w. bush and continue to bless the united states of america. amen. >>amen. >> 30 years ago, on the west front of this capital, george herbert walker bush addressed the nation for the first time as our president. he said, we meet on democracy's from porch, a good place to talk as neighbors and as friends. the words of a humble servant who loved his fellow citizens. and, a principal later when you america not only -- leader who knew america not only guards our future but also safeguards mark received for the world. tonight, he has returned to the not on for a final time, the front porch of our democracy this time, but here in its hallowed cathedral. beneath painti

av falling more than 500 points, the dowd finis higher. >>> is there a way do protect your portfolio from what feels like never ending volatility. >>>ng jumship. there have been a lot of sellers in this market but it's who is doing the selling that may signal how long this volatility will last. >>>essons arned. ten years since bernie madoff confessed to orchestrating the rgest ponzi scheme ever. what has chand? those stories and more on "nightly business report" for monday, december >>> and we do bid you a good evening, everybody. griffeth. sue is off tonight. what a reversal de. it looked like today was going to be another ugly one for investors. there were still trade concerns after a white house official said march was adl hard de for talks with china. apple got caught up in a legal battle with qualcomm when the chinese government banned the sale of most iphone models. and a critical vote on brexit in the u.k. parliament was delayed. it a served to push the dow dawn about 500 points at the low of the then apple suddenly reversed course midday and that seemed to help lift tech sect

thencertainty over any compromise between white house and congress has wall street in anw dowd spiral. the stock exchange has seen its worst day of trading ever. the dow tumbling another 653 poin today and the s&p entered better market territory. >>> andna most nat parks exhibits were closed today but the natiol christmas tree goten reoped today. and they are shining bright this christmas eve. sh meanwhile the d.c. t team is cleaning up the trash at more than 120 park sites throughout the city. >>> and thousandsf federal workers face financial uncertainty, president trump is trying to shift the blame. the president sending out nearl a dozen tweets today. most airing grievances includini ment being at the white house today. he wrote, quote, poor me >>> the holiday there's never be the same in manassas. a young man died in a crash last night. he was 24 yearsold. he was one of five inside a car at crashed into a tree. today, shomari stone spoke with him. >> reporter: theood is somber as people come to visit a devastated family. >> it's sad. devastated. broken. >> reporter: juan gomes des

. >> i work for maureen dowd. >>. >> thank you. okay. i haven't seen. >>. >>. >>. >> i don't want to get drunk my own party. thank you. [inaudible] club soda with no ice with just a dashof white wine . >> club soda with a dash of white wine but mostly club soda . mostly club soda. then came up with a signature drink for you . guess what i have for you? i'm going to tell you when i stole it. >> permanently? i love you. >>. >> my personal nothing andi brought it for you, i'm not a fee . >> where do we go? >> are going to follow me. >> you know i'm like? for c-span. hold on, 17. i have to do an interview because i have an important book out . hi, will's reaper. >>. >> we will walk fast together. i'm so happy to see you. >> we're going to walk in front.>> i know. you don't mind, do you? >> fantastic. >>. >> just be careful. >>. >> i'm done, let's go. >> for the sake. >> i really wanted to get my party. >> this is going to create buzz. >> okay. fine. hey jeremy, you could probably get a drink. we are right over the bar. what do they call the

crossing -- [laughter] [applause] >> but, you know finish -- >> and now i've got to start liking maureen dowd. this is going to be really hard, but i'm going to do my best. [laughter] >> you know, it's also true that when your father got to washington, junior member of the house, there was a bond that a lot of those people had which is they'd served in world war ii together. >> yeah. >> i mean, people like john dingell have told me that was a more important connection than where you came from or which part you were from. did he view himself as part of the greatest generation? >> you know, as part of the greatest generation, the reason why they're great, they didn't talk about it. the weirdest thing in the world was i was reading one of the books about -- i didn't realize my dad -- i knew my dad was shot down in the pacific. i didn't realize that had the japanese garrison got there before a submarine that randomly showed up, a u.s. submarine, he could have been cannibalized because the garrison commander on the island was convicted and executed for war crimes for cannibalism to maintain the mo

berkeley professor surge jennifer dowd now one of the co-inventors of the crisper glenn you heard their comments there one of the last time you can remember that paper so much controversy after a science con friends and can you understand their reaction totally understand their reaction i mean this is unprecedented and i agree completely with professors and other people that this was completely unethical the way this is done the problem though is i think people will have the reaction to this particular experiment with its deficit seven point seven deficits and oversight the question of what was targeted and that will be extrapolated to a critique of crisper more generally and that i think is problematic unfortunate because as one of your other guests just did there's a lot of good that can be done through these technologies both sematic cell at a thing that's adding adult cells birds and also germ line editing when we are editing cells that will be heritable and passed on so it's really unfortunate that crisper is going to be given a really block more work because of this particular eve

joslin to what degree and no pun intended do colleges and universities some of which are very well and dowd share the blame is to wish and cost inflated well it's a really complicated answer there are many parts into this big problem that we're facing to wish in hikes do happen a lot even when i was an undergrad one of the biggest fights that i was dealing with was ensuring that our tuition was not going up at the university of california however again it does have to do with the disinvestment from our state and federal governments the fact that as a culture we keep seeing this problem as an individual one and we're not taking responsibility as a country to address this crisis so yes there are two wish and universities have a role responsibility to this but so does everyone else and education is a right it is not a privilege we need to be doing the best we can to solve this crisis because it is going to hurt us it is hurting us right now it's going to hurt us up in the future this is not just about economic justice is also about racial justice we have to think about or the people that we wa

like, marine dowd did this, judy woodruff did that, sam donaldson did this. i was beginning to worry as president, the man who won the cold war had watched tv all day. what i realized, somewhat in consultation with tim, part of what happened is he had everything in his briefcase. so he had the white house news sum entry the tape recorder. so he would be on marine one or air force one and pull everything out and start looking at this and be reading this great transcript of everyone who'd been attacking him all the time. so he would just react to it that way. that's the reality. how many of you all love being criticized? maybe you're better than i am, but, you know, it's just -- and that -- to me that's the importance of the work you all do. it's that you all humanize people who are at risk of becoming momentumal and therefore less accessible and character's destiny. the greeks were right. you all are custodians of the means by which we can access a usable past. >> and -- and picking up on that, jon, there was one vision of this early on, thomas jefferson's per

we are, you know, this-- look, i mean, just take-- in the book, john dowd, who was trump's personal attorneyvestigation, worked with him for eight months, closely, big supporter. and said, "okay, you're going to have to testify to the special counsel, mueller." and trump says, "okay. i can do that. no problem." so they do a practice session, and trump starts making up things, lying, blows up, and in-- >> trevor: in the practice session. >> in the practice session. and this is-- his lawyers say, "you can't testify. if you testify, you will perjure yourself, and you'll wind up in an orange jumpsuit. like the one you picture trump in. >> trevor: right. >> and then he finally concludes that trump is an effing liar. i know you're not supposed to say that word on the air. >> trevor: you can say it here. you can say it here. >> oh, you can. okay. ( cheers and applause ) >> trevor: here's something that you might be able to help me understand. if i just look at it, on the face of it, one thing we have always said is he has earned the nickname teflon don. it seems like nothing sticks to donald trump.

maureen dowd described him at wooster, the british character of the comic novels by p.g. woodhouse. this was after he managed the collapse of the soviet union and mounted the coalition that won the gulf war. he achieved quite a lot, but nonetheless it resisted. it's that reverse snobbism about class that permeates the media. now, you see the media exactlyifying it against donald trump. howie: what was it like to deal with george bush personally? brit: he knew us all because he had been around forever. he was exceedingly friendly to us as he was to everyone. he had a blessing in a way because he has a forgiving spirit. he endured the slings and arrows. he was forgiving about it. he didn't stay mad at people for very long. his press relations weren't bad. his news conferences were fairly frequent and orderly. he basically did fine. it was during the run-up to the gulf war, he had a lot of meetings with the press, and he became in that moment extraordinarily articulate and precise in his discourse. we had not seen that in him before. it was a remarkable display of what he could do when

and it was a real friendship and in the same way that maureen dowd wrote about covering him and becomingem but they also knew him as a human being, as meacham certainly did. >> andy card is standing by to talk to us after the service. obviously, former chief of staff to george w. bush 43. andy, what did you make of what we just witnessed? >> well, first of all, this was a wonderful thing for the world to witness. it showed the decency of a true citizen of the united states who's a citizen of the world and this is a demonstration on how to live a life and how to invite people to be part of the solutions in america. and solutions to problems around the world. so this is a remarkable experience. this is a celebration. it's not a mourning. it is not a sad thing. this is really a compliment to a life well lived, an example given for us all and i just think it's been a remarkable day. you know, this was a remarkable man who was so unselfish and it was never about him. he didn't practice brogueadocia. he would have said today was too much. it was a wonderful service. >> andy, what did you think

and i think you've seen that in some of the -- maureen dowd wrote an unbelievable piece about her timeank bruni had a great column out about how he was imperfect, no one is trying to whitewash the bush years, but there were points of light. >> have you all seen the news real of franklin roosevelt's body making that turn at 15th street, with arthur godfrey of all people narrating it for the newsre newsreel? there was a president, in office from '33 to '45, my dad only new one president growing up. >> this is the view. >> this is different. >> on your right is lafayette park. on your left is the white house and the old executive office building. hard to believe that as recently as the clinton administration, this was a public thoroughfare with two-way traffic. you could get in and out of cabs right there at the northwest gate. but it was the timothy macveigh bombing in oklahoma city that led the secret service to make a presentation to president and mrs. clinton to prove to them that that structure which has survived fire and earthquakes and changes in administrations, they said that a d

turning political access into hard cold cash, according to longtime "new york times" columnist, maureen dowd. a recent joint speech by bill and hillary clinton was pretty disappointing at best. she writes "their pathological need to be relevant in america is belied by a canadian arena where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance. even if you are showing up or getting a discount, according to a new report. tickets to see bill and hillary were as low as $11 in some locations. the medias passing, you will not believe how one teacher decided to ruin christmas for five and six years old. but first we remember the legacy of service. president george h.w. bush, we go back through 2004 and, i had the opportunity to visit a head of that year's presidential election. take a look. it's got to be harder to watch your son. >> it is far worse when they go after your son, and i would say unfairly, and they use to when i was in the cross hairs and would get condemned and criticized. it hurts much more when it's your own son. and it's not even a close call. >> tucker: i think

miss dowd, would you please read the roll. >> clerk: yes. >> clerk: you do have a quorum. >> just a note for the audience, we don't have ms. boomer today. >> clerk: item three, announcement of prohibition of sound producing devices during the meeting. please be aware that use of cell phones, pagers, or other sound producing electronic device is prohibited.

there was an extraordinary piece of writing today from maureen dowd.nd if you worked in the bush family, you knew the relationship between them was something of a legend. and really wasn't much anyone could do about it. she would write what she would write. but you don't see that. and if there are warm spots and warm relationships between politicians and members of the media, most politicians are pretty careful not to let anyone find out. >> yes. and it was a tendentious relationship. a lot of the opinion columnists were incredibly hard on george herbert walker bush. so as you might recall, there were buttons and bumper stickers during the 1992 campaign that said annoy the media. vote for bush. and i think, you know, again, it was not like it was a smooth relationship all the time. but there was a certain kind of grace to it and a certain respect. i think on both sides. the responsibilities that come with the job. and it's, i think, really -- as i was writing the obituary for our newspaper, it occurred to me that when you write these obitua obituaries,

miss dowd, would you please read the roll. >> clerk: yes.roll call] >> clerk: you do have a quorum. >> just a note for the audience, we don't have ms. boomer today. >> clerk: item three, announcement of prohibition of sound producing devices during the meeting. please be aware that use of cell phones, pagers, or other sound producing electronic device is prohibited. please know when these devices set on vibrate do cause microphone interference, so please turn them off. number three, approval of the december 4, 2018 regular meeting. >> thank you. do i have any public comment on the minutes? no? seeing none, public comment closed. do i have a motion to approve in. >> so moved. >> do i have a second? >> second. >> all in favor? all opposed? okay. minutes are approved. okay. communications. i have nothing. anyone? all right. good. >> clerk: i don't any either. item six, introduction of new or unfinished business by board of directors? >> directors, do you have any new or unfinished you'd like to bring up? no? okay. item eight. >> director's repo

who else would say that. >> maureen dowd, thank you. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> congratulations to me, condolences to me. >> we had a moment that we -- >> look at that. that is so cute and he wouldn't let it go. so lovely. >> you know talking about it, i remember the first time we went out it was 2011 and he so wanted his son jeb to run for president in 2012. that really did mean an awful lot to him and did not care for donald trump even then. >> no, i mean maureen dressed it up, you know, his comments about donald trump. but when you would speak to him about donald trump, maureen was absolutely right, he was trying to talk about something he just couldn't comprehend. the whole trump effect, the whole trump emergence, and because he was such a polite man and civilized man the language that was being employed by candidate trump on the stump shocked him. and he couldn't grasp the fact that so many members of your former party would be lining up like this. >> talked about how jerry went up, and i remember jerry telling us a story of him going up th

one evening, a marine dowd at the "new york times" had written some columns about him, some that he likedn't like. some about his son he liked and didn't like. but he popped up at the georgetown home one night just to chat with her. this was somebody who may have been a journalistic enemy but quickly humanized the situation. i think he was a man so comfortable in his own skin due to his father, prescott bush, being a senator, due to the fact that he was married to barbara, the life of his life, due to the fact that when he moved to texas he made a million dollars and became a millionaire on his own by the age of 40 working oil and gas in the permian basin in texas. he had a lot of self-confidence, and that meant you didn't have to belittle people. you tried to build people up. overall he had great empathy and an open heart. we can see that presidents sometimes aren't always that warm hearted, and bush really felt the human condition and anxiety, agony with every day people and tried to help them, and the disabilities act, clean air act being great monuments to his kind of breaking ranks.

i mentioned earlier, dana, former sec commissioner rob vic dowd sent me a note and he was actually a former advanced guy for george w. bush. he was taking the call being by the casket tomorrow night and -- the advanced folks, the secret service folks, the people who ever worked for president george h.w. bush, the relationship is pretty unique. >> i wanted to comment on that because we saw members of the cabinet that were there, colin powell, james baker. many other people that are there tonight. if you worked in the bush 41 administration i believe you are invited to come have this velvet velvet, to walk by the casket. many of them will also be invited to the funeral. eight years as vice president and the four years as president. marlo fitzwater, the press secretary for both reagan and bush, told me that in january of 1993 when they were leaving the white house, they said they had their heads hung in shame, that they never thought that people would know how great a man george h.w. bush was. as marc thiessen pointed out, 41 live long enough to see history change on that point and now