dr peter langman psychologist and author of the book school shooters and why kids kill welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us. so dr lang when. i was worst year on record for school shootings was becoming more frequent deadly can we say school shootings in america are on the rise it was a cost for that well it's hard to say for sure. the federal data the official count tend to be a couple years behind but certainly it is a serious problem whether or not it's gone up in recent years or is just holding steady we certainly do have serious concerns about these attacks. so jesse osborne they perpetrator twenty sixteen school shootings and south carolina admit it that he wanted to beat adam lanza the attacker at the sandy hook elementary in two thousand and twelve for the number of victims is the scale and carnage of school shootings going to go up because now we know they're trying to upstage each other you know sometimes shooters are looking at previous attackers and as in the case with jessie osborne very aware of how many fatalities there were and sometimes they want