more on what's driving the markets in these last few days of the year i'm joined by two ponder jim ballou my colleague of course will nugent's phone call do you think come markets well i mean if the reaction is anything to go by so far it's not doing any of that likely you reassurance that isn't quite the reassurance now investors actually thinking about where they have to be concerned about the liquidity that he had to discuss with those six banks yolles in the u.s. that he spoke with yesterday and of course today he'll be having a meeting with. the leading market participants in the us regarding the current market volatility among other things and saw investors are wondering if there's more to be concerned about not really we're short of this point so everybody's i actually kind of wondering they want to be probably listening in on those phone calls and that's the issue right now you know i mean those phone calls it's quite an unusual move in a not necessarily instilling confidence there and that's certainly when you have that back backdrop of that government shutdown which i mean we se