ken starr didn't have to do that. special counsel act said he should, in all instances, act with accord. right now it's the teaching of the legal counsel and policy of the department of justice that a sitting president can't be indicted. that was more of a guideline for ken starr, that he could decide, as the boss, to pass up, less likely that robert mueller would do that. >> do you think a sitting president can be indicted? >> i think as a practical matter, a president can be indicted. can a grand jury return indictment of the president? yes. they can vote indictment and indictment be returned. what can the president do? he can pardon himself immediately, fire the prosecutor. he could tell the marshalls, you can't arrest me. he could tell the bureau of prisons, you can't hold me, because he runs the executive branch. these are all things that the president could do. naturally, the question isn't can the president be indicted, the question is more seriously, can the president be impeached for interfering with the indi

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katty kay from the bbc's "beyond 100 days" program has been speaking to ken starr. he is in the bill clinton impeachment case, about the state of the probe. ken: these pesky redactions that infected the general flynn d thencing keep us beh veil of ignorance to a great extent in terms of where the investigation might be going but it would not appear especially with respect to michael cohen that there is anything with respect to collusion. there is no indication that he was that seriously involved ingn the campai i realize the issues of payments to individuals who may have bee involved with president many thars ago. i don't thinere will be anything on collusion. possibly something in the manafort comments. but on the other hand, remember paul manafort had a deal and then bob mueller said you broke the deal, you hahfn't been ul. we don't know what that means, either. so i think t combination of the redactions to protect sensitive information going forward anthe fact that there was a breakdown in the relationship betwe paul manafort and mueller and his team suggests that

>> ken starr was going to pursue clinton until they caught him doing something and the something wasipp walked into ken starr's office and says, i have these tapes. i have about ten phone calls of a young woman named monica lewinsky, and in it she talks about having had a sexual relationship with the president. >> so monica lewinsky bares her soul about her love for bill clinton to her friend, linda tripp. linda tripp gives those tapes to paula jones' lawyers and kenneth starr's office. ken starr knows that the president has to give a deposition in the jones case. >> part of the danger for the president lies in what he said under oath to lawyers for paula jones. mr. clinton denied in his deposition having a sexual relationship with lewinsky. >> did the president agree with lewinsky to deny their affair under oath? >> if the president, in fact, encouraged this woman to lie under oath or ask someone else to encourage her, that's a crime. >> it is a different order of magnitude from any of the previous charges that the president's had to put up with for the last several years. >> what t

he was replaced and his successor ken starr was far more aggressive.. >> how is this whitewater? >> this leads in all these different directions. >> this is truly a wildly historic night. >> no one could have been happier with starr's aggressive approach than newt gingrich and the republicans. >> there has been a change in american politics. >> we are winning. >> they're swept in 1994. >> this is an earthquake. >> preaching a new gospel of strict orthodox conservatism. >> newt gingrich has the republican party. we do not compromise with democrats. >> president clinton became the democrat the republicans desp e despised the most. he was morally corrupt, they said. >> experimented with marijuana a time or two and didn't inhale. >> i was bill clinton's lover for 12 years. >> and a womanizer. >> these accusations are false. >> they're viewed him as almost an imposter as president. >> the law is the law. the law is sacred. >> ken starr had been digging into the clintons for more than two years to no avail. >>> you going to be working for the congress or the

the law is sacred. >> meanwhile, ken starr had been digging into the clintons for more two years to noor congress or the courts or the public? >> his investigation was winding down. >> i'm not going to be making any statements. >> then, out of the blue, some explosive tape recordings came his way. >> i never expected to feel this way about him. >> conversations with monica lewinsky -- >> we fooled around! >> -- that were secretly recorded by her coworker, linda tripp. >> if you get to orgasm, that's having sex. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is! >> no, it's not. >> starr expanded his investigation, even further, to look into lewinsky. >> my instant reaction is, that's nuts! i couldn't believe that starr was going down this road. >> do you understand, sir, that your answers to my questions today are testimony that is being given under oath? >> yes. >> starr learned that the president was testifying about lewinsky in another matter. >> it's just humiliating, what he did to me. >> a sexual harassment lawsuit brought by paula jones. >> your testimony is subject to the penalty of perjury. do y

the law is sacred. >> meanwhile, ken starr had been digging into the clintons for more than two years are you going to be working for congress or the court or the public? >> his investigation was winding down. >> i'm not going to be making any statements. >> then out of the blue, some explosive tape recordings came his way. >> i never expected to feel this way about him. >> conversations with monica lewinsky. >> we fooled around. >> that were secretly recorded by her co-worker, linda tripp. >> if you get to orgasm, that's having sex. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. >> no, it's not. >> starr expanded his investigation even further to look into lewinsky. >> my reaction is that's nuts. i couldn't believe that starr was going down this road. >> do you understand, sir, that your answers to my questions today are testimony that is being given under oath? >> yes. >> starr learned that the president was testifying about lewinsky in another matter. >> it's just humiliating what he did to me. >> a sexual harassment lawsuit brought by paula jones. >> your testimony is subject to the penalty of p

we hear from ken starr, former independent counsel on the white water and whiskey investigations. it meant posted by the freedom for a institute is live at 2 pm eastern on c-span. x. >> sunday night on q&a, class american nazi party had 20,000 supporters who came to rally at madison square garden and as that footage showed the middle of new york, storekeepers giving the nazi salute were next to a picture of george washington. probably was for george washington's birthday.it wasn't active american fascist movement in the 20s and 30s earlier than people think but it was associated with the america first. >> university of london professor sarah churchwell looks at the history of the terms america first and the american dream in her book behold america. sunday at the eastern on c-span's q and a. >> earlier today secretary of state mike pompeo and defense secretary james mattis met with the canadian foreign minister in the national defense minister here in washington. they discussed the trade agreement between the us, canada and mexico and the ongoing conflict between russia and ukrain

good to see you, ken starr, good to see you this morning.legacy of one of our great presidents. >> what a great man filled with compassion and kindness yet he was very firm. he was a patriot and served in world war ii. he was one of the greatest of his generation. he came to my native state of texas where he made his fortune, but he moved quickly into public service. maria: i know he had great confidence and trust in you. i have been watching the clinton affair. even though i was there and i reported on it. you forget so much things. i watched you in that a & e investigation. can you compare what you were doing then in the investigation with clinton. >> you never know what the attorney general is going to assign to you. bob mueller has haded a-ons to his original collusion mandate. there is no evidence of collusion with russian organizations. we know the russians were badly interfering with politics in the campaign. all the issues with wikileaks and julian assange and roger stone. these are fairly new characters coming on to the stage. and y

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touched heavily on to top -- two top campaign and political aides at the white house. >> you raise the ken starrection, but ken, kelly is it -- you can tell me if this is correct, you said the statute is structurally unsound constitutionally and the statute tries to cram a fourth branch of government into our three branch system? i assume that is the correct quote, correct me if it is wrong, but you can speak for yourself, very eloquently. thanksrr: let me express to the new cm -- newseum for this bill of rights today. another structure of our liberty, the structure of -- structural protection. we needed the bill of rights the , original constitution was lacking without that. the original constitution wisely set up our separation of power system. now we are talking about these structural protections rooted in the separation of powers. i think we the people in the words of the preamble of constitution, underestimate the importance of that structural arrangement in terms of the protections of liberty. to mr. madison and others, those were foundational, structural, preservenal in a word the liberti

you raise then: ken starr objection, but ken, kelly is it correct that the statute -- tell me, is it that the statute is unsound constitutionally and the statute tries to cram a fourth branch of government into our three branch system? i assume that is the correct quote, correct me if it is wrong, but you can speak for yourself, very eloquently. greta, andthank you, eum forou to news gathering is here. another structure of our liberty, the structure of protection. the original constitution was lacking without that. the original constitution wisely set up our power system and federal republic, etc.. we are talking now about these structural protections rooted in the separation of powers. i think we've people, in the words of the preamble of constitution, underestimate the importance of that structural arrangement in terms of the protections of liberty. to mr. madison and others, those were foundational, structural, foundational, in a word, to a -- to preserve the liberty bell. i view the noble experiment, i know that was said about prohibition -- and that it will experiment that laste

ken starr had a lot of convictions, including susan mcdougal.ail because she refused to cooperate. in the '90s, i was working at health magazine. i didn't know much about this. you realize that it's a self-perpetuating machine that once you start it, it's up to itself to end. you heard all these people. it's a prison machine. you look at flynn who served his country, getting swallowed up. i said it friday or thursday, the last and we had a show i was on. you don't want to be in government. you don't want to be in government because if you win, you've got a target. if you lose, you lose. it's better to lose. >> juan: don't switch the topic. susan mcdougal and clinton. we were talking about trump. >> greg: i thought you were historian, juan. forget history. >> juan: i didn't say that. i am all for it. >> greg: i also defended a democrat, juan. >> juan: who was that, mcdougal? up next, "time" magazine taking a shot at president trump with its 2018 person of the year? big news. stay tuned to "the five" ." -we're in a small room. what?! -welcome. -[

. >> but, ron, and you heard plenty of attacks on ken starr as this partisan operation. >> yeah.ack he was making on ken starr, he was talking eight or nine things he was doing for the public. donald trump could do that as well, but he has chosen not to. bill clinton didn't go after the institutions of government. he didn't talk about how the department of justice was rigged. he didn't call the press the enemies of the people. he didn't like the way we were covering things and we covered him tough, but he didn't call us enemies of the people. he didn't condone the murder of a reporter. he didn't try to undermine the sa sanctity of our political institutions. donald trump is not focussing on things like criminal justice reform. he's not getting infrastructure bills passed in the legislature. he's not framing what he's doing with the tariffs in a way that might help people here in detroit. he's talking about himself. he gets up every morning and talks about himself. that would not have worked for bill clinton. and my guess is it's not going to work well for donald trump. >> one sto

what we've seen so far. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm curious, when you were with starr, doing the ken starr investigation, in the starr report, among the things that were said to be grounds for impeachment included the following -- the president lied about his relationship with miss lewinsky to senior aides and those aides then conveyed the president's false story to the grand jury. why did you guys consider that a potential impeachable offense? >> well, to begin with, i didn't say -- i want to make something clear, you can impeach somebody for what you consider to be obstructive conduct or conduct that obstructs justice and it not be a criminal violation. i think that's an important distinction. >> is that what we're looking at here then? i guess that's the kacase you we making 20 years ago, what the president did impeded our investigation, it was obstructing it, it's not technically a crime but it's pretty close? >> the difference with president clinton is there a false story, he was allowing a false story to be told to the grand jury, and unwittingly by the people doing it, and to our in

we had ken starr on and he took the argument is maybe you can fire all kinds of officials and it's nottruction. take a look at that. >> what about firing on a fbi director to interfere with a probe. >> he's exercising his power. >> that's a no. what about ordering the criminal prosecution of an fbi, of a former fbi director? >> i think that's coming closer but i still would say no. >> fascinating that would be okay to ken starr. barba barbara, the question for you is at what point does someone validate or endorse enough things under investigation in the probe that they can't any longer credibly run the probe? >> the rules fall into two categories. someone an actual conflict of interest. that means you have a financial interest or family relationship. you just can't be objective in that situation and it's automatic recusal. there's another area that's more discretionary. the standard is whether a reasonable person would question your objectivity base ed on this you would done or said. that's the category that matt whittaker finds himself in. although they have suggested no, you should r

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now, ken starr has a book out, and most importantly he joins me now.judge, thanks for being with us. >> i've had a chance to speak with you a lot. it's nice to see you without the bags under my eyes. i know that you have set that you have not seen any evidence of collusion yet. i also know, which maybe the president has missed, you also said there may be a lot you haven't seen. >> absolutely. >> you also said robert mueller is a man of high integrity and you trust him to conduct a fair investigation. >> and i haven't changed my position. i have known robert mueller i have questioned his judgment in terms of some of the people around him, but i know him to be a person of absolute integrity. he will be out to get the truth as efficiently and quickly as he can. what happened today, the dramatic moments in judge sullivan's courtroom -- by the way, i know judge sullivan. i know him to be a man of great honor and tremendous experience, very high integrity, and in its own way, a testament to the bob mueller investigation, even though -- even thought sentencin

joe, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: ken starr was the independent counsel during the clintonempt a memoir of the clinton investigation. he joins us tonight. mr. starr, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: nothing we have seen unearthed by the mueller investigation so far, at least pertaining to american citizens, relates to russian collusion. does it bother you that the investigation seems to have gone off on a tangent? >> i don't think it's a tangent. i have got a different perspective. not on the collusion point. i completely agree with joe. there is nothing about this that smacks of or even suggests collusion with the russians. but, just taking the documents that were filed at face value and joe may call them into question, but just taking them for what they say, they say that general flynn lied multiple times to different agencies, different folks in the justice department, including about turkey, his representation of turkey, his representation in terms of why did he write an op-ed piece, and you can say who cares about this? w

joining us is ken starr.immediate news this morning, ken, we talked about this before, the president is attacking robert mueller saying he has conflicts of interest. what's your assessment of robert mueller? >> i continue to believe in the integrity of bob mueller. the president is not well-advised to continue these attacks. they're going nowhere. they're doing no good. i think they do him harm. obviously, the congress continues to support on both sides of the aisle the mueller investigation. let's bring it to an end. but the attacks, i think, are self-defeating. >> now, you are a lawyer, a well-practiced lawyer. you know the nature of the documents we are going to see today, in one case the sentencing memos from michael cohen on two separate matters. one, this most recent plea deal where he said that he lied to congress about business dealings he was doing with russia well into the 2016 campaign. the other plea deal is with the southern district of new york where he pled guilty to payoffs in the stormy danie

let's bring in ken starr.nvestigated president bill clinton. thank you for joining us. what do you make of this latest report that we might see an end to this by mid february? >> oh, i think it may be optimistic. looks as if bob mueller is rounding third base, but he's also the third base coach. so he can say, halt. and you mentioned something that's very important in the prior report. that is, what about interviewing the president? we apparently have follow-up questions, written questions. there may be an insistence by bob mueller on interviewing the president. >> sandra: can he make that happen? can he forefit? >> he can try to make it happen. if the president's lawyers say, no, what don't you understand, mr. mueller, then bob mueller has a tough choice. does he go to the grand jury and say, i want to subpoena the president, then we have a constitutional standoff. i'm not predicting that. i'm going back to my own experience of president clinton. we invited him time after time after time and it was always, an

judge ken starr former solicitor general independent counsel just stated that after two years there isevidence or proof of collusion and further that there is no evidence that there was a campaign financing violation involving the president. thank you judge. now, ken starr i should note has a book out contempt a memoir of the clinton investigation and most importantly he joins me now. judge, thanks so much for being with us. >> good to be with you, john. >> i've had the chance to talk to you a lot. usually in the morning not at night. nice to see you without the bags under my eyes. >> after sunset. ? yes, after sunset. you have not seen any evidence of collusion yet. i also know, which maybe the president has missed, you've also said there may be a lot that you haven't seen. >> absolutely. >> and you've also said that robert mueller is a man of high integrity and you trust him to conduct a thorough investigation. >> yes. and i haven't changed my position. no, i've known john, as i think you know, bob mueller for a long time. i have questioned his judgment in terms of some of the people

visit ncicap.org] on saturday, i discussion about the role of special counsels with ken starr, who served as special counsel in the whitewater and lewinsky investigations, live at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span.org, or listen on our free c-span radio app. >> secretary of state mike pompeo and secretary of defense james mattis held a joint press conference with their canadian counterparts after a meeting at the state department. they discussed combating isis send a new trade agreement between the u.s., canada and mexico. secretary pompeo: thank you for being here. secretary mattis and i are pleased to welcome our canadian counterparts to washington. welcome. and it is myt day, honor to host the state department to plus two strategic dialogue. plus twodepartment two strategic dialogue. we have achieved a lot together. comes after the historic signing of the united states, canada, mexico agreement. i want to thank you for your efforts to make this happen. a modernizes nafta to address 21st century economy, opportunities for u.s. farmers and manufacturers and reduce trade barriers. the f

we had an independent counsel to the whitewater investigation, ken starr who after finishing his tenure as independent counsel came up for reauthorization and the lie was allowed to relapse. bubbler is not independent counsel, he is special counsel reporting to the attorney general and is governed by the rules of the justice department. >> this is william barr back from 1999 talking about the role of independent counsel but also the role of the aji and these kinds of investigations. >> i do want to say something about the independent counsel. i do think that there have been and there always will be cases where someone from the outside of the department should be brought in to supervise the case. but that does not mean you need independent counsel statute to set up a individual. prior to watergate, and now we can rely on the old system which is the attorney general ultimately has to bring in someone with sufficient stature to win the confidence of the peoples of the matter will be handled appropriately. >> your reaction? >> congress came to that very conclusion. that you could appoint so

new york he is tied up in a lot of criminal investigations that is not a place you want to be john ken starr the independent invented counsel investigated clinton recently said that they're either going to two avenues robin mobile's probe will either end with an impeachment reformer or an indictment are you worried about impeachment john. you know i certainly republicans should be concerned about it because of what happened in the house but you know i think the political question his here what are the democrats really get out of impeachment i think you can't ignore history and you can't ignore the current state of politics in our country first of all the history and one of the republicans get out of impeachment in the one nine hundred ninety s. they they they lost livingston as speaker because larry flynt picked up his pick of bellows and put in public you know basically newt gingrich was basically out after a bad alexion during that whole tomatoes period and then we lost the popular vote in the presidency in two thousand even though we end up winning the presidency we still lost the popular

let me touch on ken starr's objection. said that the is structurally unsound, and that the statute tries to cram of fourth ranch of government in two or three branch system. i assume that's a direct quote. you can speak for yourself eloquently. >> thank you. to you foress thanks this bill of rights day ferc -- for gathering is here to talk about another pillar of the protection of our liberty, the structural protection. we needed the bill of rights, the original constitution was lacking without it. the original constitution wisely set up our separation of powers system. now we are talking about the structural protections rooted in separation of powers. underestimate the importance of that structural arrangement in terms of the protections of liberty. to mr. madison and others, those were foundational. in order to preserve the liberties of free people. i viewed the noble experiment -- i know that was set about prohibition. the second noble experiment that lasted for 21 years, the independent counsel provisions of an otherwi

ken starr said the same thing during bill clinton.o it's not clear to me that mueller will not take the same view, that all of these lies trying to divert the attention of the american people and make the job more difficult for investigators isn't part of the mosaic of what he will look at as obstruction. in the cohen documents, it says cohen was intouch with the white house in 2017 and discussed with others his false testimony. if cohen was talking to the white house about submitting false testimony, that's a very serious felony. >>> special counsel robert mueller says manafort lied to his investigators and the white house says this has nothing to do with the physical. next we're going to take a closer look at that claim. >> and the dow drops more than wan,000 points. >> and this was the zeen moments agoin paris. pulling down make-shift barricade and setting it on fire. police forced to use tear gas and water canons. we're going to take you there. i. awe man. always look for the grown in idaho seal. we're transforming this home to sh