decent job, particularly, for instance, my newspaper has an amazingly well documented story by nick miroff in the paper today of what the real crisis at the border is and it's one that's being made worse by trump's immigration policies. >> i love the interactive on the "washington post" website that shows you the entire border, it shows you there's already lots of walls, lots of fences in a lot of different places and i understand trump wants more of those, but, dara, what are the biggest misconceptions, the biggest misinappropriateliers about the border as we go through this funding fight? >> i mean, i think that the debate over a border wall or not often takes place in this weird alternate reality where there is no border enforcement or there is perfect border enforcement everywhere. what the trump administration is actually asking for is 215 miles of balard fencing largely in the rio grande valley where there isn't a lot of barrier right now. we could be having a discussion about is this the right response to this particular flow of people, some of whom were seeking asylum, some of whom