peter craven peter we heard michelle us analysis of looking foolish for the cd what does. election mean for the party crucial elections coming up next year what does she represent for the party. we've heard that the that was the point i was trying to make a little bit earlier that i did that i do think you know she has how does michelle was pointing out says she scored substantial successes within the sort of the narrow context that is the zoll and and she has shown that she can be a winner but she's completely untested in the top division of german politics and it is going to be a very testing it is election set up next year when the wood there are going to be free elections next autumn in the eastern german states where the f.t. will be expected to do well and the party still faces the conundrum of how to deal with the f.t. do you do you parrot them message do you do you play to their message or do you ignore them or do you do something completely different and it's going to be interesting to see what kind of leadership stump she puts on that and whether free dish mats indeed will be on board a very interesting prospect of the could be a cabinet reshuffle that he could become with his black rock experience investment management he's had a very lucrative career in business over there over a decade he could come back into politics he seems to have enjoyed the political experience of the last couple of weeks he would be a formidable person to have on board in the in a in a conservative cabinet for sure and i think he's the kind of courage character we've seen it in to an extent in the in the events that have been taking place in the last several days where the care of the candidates have been appearing in various cities around germany in eastern german cities for masses going then politically were particularly well right and we get a good i mean the because of that both of the candidates who lost this leadership struggle have said they want to but. in the new in the renewal of the party. likely is there a given that the differences between them politically are strong and the rivalry reason months of three of them are also pretty sharp. yeah well his challenge and it pits how about a new party to chile recognizes this is also something she stressed throughout this contest that a broad spectrum of voices need to find a place within one of the last big tent conservative parties in europe the c.d.u. party here in germany which suffered so dearly in those past elections in the state of hesse and very aware they both still managed to form governments although in coalitions but they lost. ground about ten percent in the polls and that also continued a tendency from those past general elections that we saw here and they said that is the challenge so she knows she simply cannot afford to eighteen alienate the others also what was rather interesting on a personal level is that they spent so much time together during those eight regional conferences that they really and we saw this also throughout those q. and a sessions that they did in different regions they creating really do you see to i on a personal level and let's just remember these other things where things between countries often fail when their leaders don't able to find a basis for communication so with that recognition and clearly the dish mats drive that now he's launched this political comeback he wants to be here to stay you also has too much of a following and quite clearly as we see in this election result to simply fade away again because those voices those people who backed his tough talking stance but also his pro-business is more liberal and stands won't simply go when it's within the c.d.u. and if there's one thing the city you can't afford is to. those that are still fighting it's cool to hear in germany he also offers a potential to broaden out to reach out to those votes is that the city lost to the far right a s d and will be interesting to see how much of a. rating force and a great come convo i can't believe that many i spoke to here and also hearing her talking believe that that is her forte that is something she couldn't do is moderate different views a young man of course he declared almost threatened that he will continue to be the man who produces headlines when you go to the post box in a bar see what was that all about so clearly and he also in braces and enjoys his own style of sparking debates within his in these like we know something a k.k.k. is she's known will now have to navigate and balance but she is braced for that if because you know she brings a bit of a destructive place a disruptive role in the party which is a part of renewal for the party but he did say something just a kind of telling you talked about the three of them being like a rock band while they were campaigning at all these regional conferences that you talked about let me before we continue mikaela let's now listen to the woman at the moment to set the new leader of the c.d.u. party. its mad group which maps. here to delegates. guests i accept this position and results with the voting and thank you for your trust i want to thank you by your inspires cordially particularly but it's i would like to thank you and do is come out with this fair competition it was really thank that without going to moon's under the qataris was the kind of competition that other political parties and vetoes were it was one that gave dynamism. to the parts and it was one and you heard this in the speech is that my competitor these panels as well that it was very much conducted in the spirit of fantasies and the spirit and this dynamism must continue and it must be linked with. that we all share namely to. do everything we can with all of the members all of the different opinions all of the policymakers all of us together we need to be the centrist popular party that we have been in the past and i very much hope that you and region which maps work with me to achieve this this is what the members expect of us and we all have our place in this party thank you thank that is the leader of the c.d.o. part of the new needed a cd a cd a party known as a cake a final comments now from our political senior political correspondent in a great battle called the second record but i don't usually movie get cation for your political commentary. ok is clearly an immensely talented political figure you know a.k.k. j.f.k. no that's very far. far to. bridge too far but yes. that's it ok if we said as if that your final comments on the election of the new party of the delta cvo. points today so you saw anglo-american plan for an exit from politics seems to be going according to our own personal plan both for self and her posse let's see whether she can pull this through until twenty twenty one but exciting times in the conservatives that haven't seen such a contest in nine hundred seventy one yes as as a spokesman of the cd you said this has been a very exciting time for the c.d.u. delegates at the party conference in hamburg hamburg a city where actually mecca chance and american host says it was born as she mentioned this morning thank you very much michelle of course there for keeping us up to date with all the drama and the excitement. after the posse conference of the seaview in hamburg thank you very much for your work there and thank you very much peter cave in the studio for your comments and your analysis you've been watching d.w. news more coming up for you in half an hour at the top of the al. kickoff why. a training camp in sicily project set up by f.c. sun. it brings together locals and migrants young people from different worlds and turn them into a. living in the conflict zone on a sea of us off what impact are tensions between ukraine and russia having on people's every day lives. as all clears are still. two people there still have hope. and actually waiting. waiting for lifeline to syria good morning where are you my 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senior correspondent peter craven and at hamburg at the posse conference for america was speaking we have political editor. a woman both come to both of your i want to start with you peter will be could make a farewell address at the party conference it was fairly emotionally at the end and usually reserved for the judges that they were going to look at how many minutes of ovations it was rather than nine minutes tonight or ten minutes if there is a concern of a missing she wasn't just a victim when they were just staging this they were it was hopeful you have the feeling and pretty universal you know you didn't see any grumpy old guys in the back in the back row saying now but enough of it was her favorite speeches she has been to see do you for eighteen years it was a major benefit turning point in her up political career to make this speech what stood out feel. it was a little bit like. her how the world functions according to find

on these political developments i'm joined by our senior political correspondent peter craven in our studios both in peter and in hamburg we have chief political editor michelle a coup for now starting with you misha this has been an exciting day in hand hasn't it. yes absolutely this party was energized by the times tough election contest it's all over the past six weeks there was a grassroots discussions were being held where the three candidates presented themselves answered questions and it was the first actual contest over the party leadership for decades so a lot of new territory here for the conservative c.d.u. the end of the era mantle and at the same times clear signs of continuity after all a k.k. as she's also known was the clear favorite of machall to succeed her in this role as party leader and one day safe potentially in the role as chance in the future. be to tell us more about it k.k. as we said i've called her what she would like to lead it how different will she be from mecca for the summer should be very very similar she's a she's very pragmatic she's very consensual she's very principl

peter craven in the studio to talk about it peter tell us what do we know about it she took this post of body genocide could only describe the way. it was viewed as quite a bit of a surprise because she had prior to that been been the senior minister of the small state of stalin and before that she believed here in this you've been involved in real everyday politics with great success you've actually won an election with the c.d.u. policy in the salon getting over forty percent of the vote which was viewed as quite a considerable achievements of the time when she was brought to berlin to become party secretary general just like an effective sort of political manager of the party she not she was i think what she was there she was clearly being sort of put in position to take up. this about toll from hunger for my grandmother when she finally steps down in three years' time is under the microscope say she's still doing she's quite stevie she's quite feisty she's quite tough she's intellectually pretty of joe she's got a great sense of humor she's an interesting character. it's being distressing to see how the press has reported on her is the mini miracle we heard the term just now which she actually took on on her in a speech she said i mean she said i've got this long eighteen year track record as a successful politician i am not so many medical i am myself and even other journalists you know they've been using the term that they've been a war of voiding the mini medical thing and calling her diminutive what's it got to do with anything we don't need to know we need to know about what kind of politician she is and she's very successful politician so far you know it'll be interesting to see whether she can take the next that because i mean all four of us will be thinking i can't just pronounce the name i don't know what she actually does here she doesn't have much of a foreign policy sort of showing so far that somewhere you know if she does become leader she's going to learn wrangle americal but it's looking very tight it's looking very tight indeed ok it's looking they had we not don't have michelle a krishna who is at the party conference the gnutella behind you delegates of bush . one thousand and one delegates are voting in a second run between a.k.k. the candidate favored by the chance that they say and her longtime critic the comeback kid they met what do you think who has the better chances in the second round. no i'm not going to be drawn on this one though i think it's going to be a very tight race now and deeds are not going to predict this one the question is really heart of a head of a heart and a lot of delegates i spoke to feel they like the rhetoric of like him being tough talking they like him basically laying out what is something that is a key concern to many delegates is how to tackle the far right if tea party although you of course you can't condense policies down to that but he says there's a need for a policy reform to be much tougher talking to have much tighter messages much shorter messages and then get across and win back those voters back to the center and it could have come also wants to win back those voters and it's interesting that sound bite there that she stressed the see in the c.d.u. she almost echoed actually the speech the last speech of posse these are also stressed that see that stands for christian values that she's been so unwilling to give any ground over throughout the past years since what became known as the migration crisis in twenty fifteen and there she was quite clear at the same time there she was interior minister she was responsible for security issues as well but also migration and then she acted rather tough she is very tough talking also when it comes to sending migrants back who have no right in the reagle right to stay in germany and here. we saw him in that series of conferences question although he does say he didn't but he did the right to asylum as laid out in the german constitution he made that an issue and he was unafraid to sound rather populist so that's where we are. it is a question of which direction this party wants to take in the future whether it wants to be more prone market more mounts he said quite clearly that he wants people to take more responsibility for themselves he doesn't want to see politicians politics be a protective hand over citizens who have to be shielded from the world she wants to see more opportunities open to businesses so they sound similar and yet so different in many parts although both stress they want to work with each other and for the stress that he would want to see the other contenders also take take a very strong role within the c.d.u. party whether they actually won whether i'm going to come would want to do that that's a completely different question so a very open very interesting election going on right behind me on who will succeed in america as possi leader that's right and michelle that was a very shrewd move by a man to say that if he were to be elected that he'd take both the other two candidates with him and work closely with them that was very shrewd but he comes into this race with a lot of political baggage especially baggage relating to the child the angle of mac and cheese to tell him he was always out of a leadership battle in two thousand and two he left politics in two thousand and nine and maybe people say he has not been in politics how effective really be when he comes back let's take a listen now to fit what he had to say in this speech at the party conference before we continue our conversation. you might as well do i want to give a clear answer to a question i've often been asked how can things work well with friedrich merits as party leader and angle america list chancellor let me be quite clear of course things will work just fine we all not only have great respect for uncle america's personal achievements but we also have respect for this great office and we always put the country before the party and the party before any single one of us and everyone will abide by that including friedrich merits as party leader for the. so that speaking early at the c.d.u. party conference trying to win the support of the one thousand one delegates was a voting on the leadership of the c.d.o. party b j you listen to what he had to say he said they. had positive words about it in this speech that he does except that we just heard that everything else he said he was criticising cuz style the direction of the party and talking but clarity what do you make off his address to the delegates i think there's another i mean this is i'm just going precedents of the numbers here we have got forty five kerry kerry thirty nine three dismissed that means he needs another six percent and then he would be elected in a c.d.u. party leader that would mean he would then be working in tandem with angela merkel he's say he's being a good boy he's saying that he will. there will be no problem he won't be looking back to old grudges and feeding on those but there are many others who think that the two are completely incompatible there are business school of thought as i said that suggests that there will be a vote of no confidence in america in pretty short time that she may be replaced by . german chancellor. and then perhaps a snap election perhaps to tie in with the european election next year here in may you know anything could happen if it i think i do think for freakishness if he wins this vote and does become c do you possibly don't have the prospects for years. on the road to becoming german chancellor he might go on his best behavior he might decide to take a late apprenticeship with angela merkel who is a must a mistress of foreign policy of public policy in general and he could learn an awful lot from and he could bring the party together around that relationship that would be a huge human challenge for her dish mats given that he does people close to him do say he does still no grudges against and that's that's why be spoken about in apparently one come did you also said at one point he said i can bear to stand in the same room as from within a minute so he's obviously got to pulling back a lot of that oil kind of animosity in dreaming that in if you will i mean trying to come up to a what he thinks would be a good compromise and just research on some of these things is produce custom himself as the character who can take give germany a big new fresh stone but he's actually only one year younger than the chancellor herself and he a lot of the promises he makes to have the sort of the feel about them of old to see do you policy rather the new cd your policy yet they don't pull in and you say that the party of conference michelle what do you make i mean there is a lot of talk about if matz is elected and based on the math it is possible he might be elected because many people who voted for young spawn a bit on the third a candidate may now vote for the dick met since they're both more conservative then a k.-k. what would this mean for the party because the party is at the moment fairly divided over the success of i'm going to back in and if he's elected will the party get even more polarized do you think. but to start with the policy was not terribly polarized it's now energized and now it is it was you know it was debating the policies the macro era already and now it's energised the big question is it if mass doesn't succeed whether those. granted old reenergized party members will do the expectation is that some would actually leave the party and just would come back to some of the pieces. may say that he wants to work very closely with angela merkel but then the question is come to the test when they actually have to find a way of defining the policies he has very strong views of course about domestic policy but also international policy whether they could really make that work with that he could make that work the man who's offering a fresh start he's sixty three years old how much time do you really have if you want to launch the process of becoming chancer yourself these are all very real factors and this but let it be said this is about the future direction of the party how much of the macro era will remain intact the direction of germany and with that potentially of europe and just to spell out to how few votes this comes down to and it's come to our needs about sixty extra votes here. mats would need just around about one hundred ten votes to swing it his way that's the number of delegates a couple of dozen delegates will make that decision right behind me in this room over the next couple of minutes and that's quite quite something taking place in this party but it will also produce loses quite clearly because the majority's on that clear and that will be the big question whether the c.d.u. manages to then pull together how to integrate those who didn't get through. made the offer it sounds like an awful but it really is almost a challenge to join the leadership in the future and what that would then in the end actually work all become a bit more like the social democrat s.p.d. that has been tearing itself apart of the last couple of years that something gets you see. something they don't want to head in that direction you had me say let's not forget the cd you have there been so many rumblings of this. and with then the c.d.u. for the past couple of years and they've really been eating into the heart of the party but let's now listen to what a buyer the delegates there are voting for a leader to succeed and love back and let's all take a listen to what i got back and has said had to say as she made a speech to the party delegates in hamburg at the end of a speech it was clearly an emotional moment for her let's take a listen to what she said. it is not. a parting ways but you see do you i don't have to be party chair to have strong ties to this party and it's also about wanting me to be a german chancellor you see do you is going to be focusing on the time after me it is a matter close to my heart and the last term of my political affairs that i contribution for ensuring the news success of the studio is whilst the same time maintaining responsibility nation to do to contain the governments this is how we can set the course for the future. so that was a bit of a dignified exit by chance the maquis want to think she also said during the speech i wanted to govern with dignity and i wanted to lead with dignity and that's exactly succeeded and she succeeded in that she set herself another three years to stay in office she's that she's a person who's has a strong sense of duty and she believes that the vote is devoted to her in for a full four year term then she will serve a four year term and she was looking i mean it just should the g. twenty last weekend she was looking pretty sort of up for it i have to say and that's part of the little discussion we've been having with michelle about what her role could be visa v. whoever wins this race this evening she could be she could be transferred from transformed into a roving sort of super diplomatic representative to germany something more than a foreign minister in spirit w. but the fact that i think for i shall start opinion anything because i think was just an announcement has been made i'm not sure. oh yes and you know no information ok so the model that some people have cooked up would be that you would have fridges mats doing the domestic thing dealing with the you know german european issues and angle americal having a broader purview on the diplomatic stage and i think that mobile would work with on a great trump combo russian a.k.k. would then be able to learn from anglo american what a person to learn from whether free just minutes is up for that or not because that you know a lot of the glory of politics these days is done in the foreign policy field and that's where i'm going to medical school some of the biggest successes and where she still remains the most powerful woman in the world whatever that means absolutely because you know i've been travelling around in asia recently and she is still hugely respected overseas receiving at a record year i considered this and then it all restored but the one point under which for which she's most criticising germany and that is the two thousand and fifteen decision to let invest fiji's and which is why i think that as a humanitarian gesture a compassionate and empathetic gesture but that is what has got into so much political trouble here and many i think there are you know people people in asia would obviously would clearly think that that was a great good humanitarian gesture it purports rate germany and uncle amount in a very positive light there's been something sustained about about people do still view germany positively but it's true what you're saying is that you know within germany itself the refugee situation the refugee crisis as many people call it from twenty fifteen on boards and the austerity situation in europe the good the role that austerity is had. and i'm get americans roll in in in supporting the austerity regime they are very open in the european context let me ask you because you as our chief political editor you've been covering i'm going to make this politics it extensively over the last few years give us a sense of what what you make off of a controller to exit as a party leader what brought it to this position and how do you think she's handled it. well she actually gave more than a hint in her own speech why she came to that decision and it was quite clearly it was a very long winded german sentence but she came to recognise that she was standing in the way of social cohesion and that she really saw that that was a way to ease that and she was calling on everybody. oh let me just listen. and ok i think everybody got very excited because we thought we had a result. do continue they're not quite there yet yes. as he was saying they said oh no i think they're just saying it's going to take a bit longer so let me just elaborate on that as she called on everybody and every state servant as she described herself as party leader but also as chancellor and every state servant she explicitly quite clearly also meant the candidates standing here. today that they should assess what they personally can do to stop divisions in society and she quite clearly doesn't want to see this populous vote voice really getting an opera hand in her own party she doesn't want those kinds of divisions and she does want the c.d.u. to sound firm on its core principles as her own volk own role goes quite clearly over the last couple of weeks we've seen the chancellor who is very at ease with herself who's very happy to take a back seat now and let the party source house its own future and to focus on being german chancellor she she clearly embraces the opportunity to be on the international stage and she actually appeared rather liberated i spoke to a lot of people about this so it seems almost hard to believe we did ask her also how clearly she meant when she said she would not strive for a political role again she is quite adamant that she won't so. she clearly will be somewhat of a diplomat on the international stage how that will translate into an actual role once she is no longer chancellor. is an open question but i dare say that that might be a lot closer than those three years she still has to go that's where we are and let me just bring the viewers up to date michel as to where we are watching the interview news coming to you live from berlin i'm under thirty with me is peter craven our political correspondent and at the party conference in hamburg we have our chief political editor michelle who you've just been listening to what is at stake is the leadership position of the c.d.u. party that is chancellor angela merkel's party she has stepped down as party leader and the three candidates who have thrown their hats in the fray wanted to take over the first round of voting has taken place at the party conference in hand but let's have the results from that first round of voting in the lead is an exit ramp. with full hundred and fifty votes next is friedrich mets who has got three hundred and ninety two votes and finally the third candidate yes he took home just one hundred and fifty seven votes which means he is no longer a contender in the race but he has achieved the goal he wanted before this vote he said his main goal is to make it as far as he wanted to stand for this he said he was told he was too young to go into this race that he had lots of time to

peter craven here in the studio simon young in hamburg peter also with you this time how could the party the c.d.u. the conservatives and perhaps also the country change under new leadership. of course was over for additional negative come come boy who's going to you know the two alternatives if this election c.d.u. party leader i think in relatively quick time there's going to be real frictions with angela merkel they go back an awful long way and there's a relationship between the two based certainly on fridges met inside to a certain extent say inside is one grudges that he holds from way back when about you know the way i'm going to be in two thousand and to force him out of high c.d.u. office in parliament so i don't i'm not sure that they would be able to work very well together and that would mean quite possibly and there is talk of this snap elections sometime in the new year so that's what the country could be looking forward to it through just mats as it is voted in a c.d.u. secretary general on the other hand on a great come current power the lead every likelihood that they would she and angle america would work together as a tandem for the coming three years and i'm going to would stay in office and things in terms of the broad leadership of germany and europe would in the first instance say the same but we're already beginning to see a sense that i'm going to medical is a bit of a lame duck and she would become more of a lame duck if she had a a want to be chancellor sitting beside her in the in or on the town and so that there's a two prospects in terms of you know whether where where where this goes in the next three four five six months well let's look at the shorter term with you simon now you know we are waiting for this very important vote as peter was saying so much hangs on this vote take us through what happens next that the three candidates have spoken what is happening now and what's that to happen the coming hours. here just right now we're being treated to an unusual question and answer. members of the c.d.u. are queuing up at microphones here in the conference hold to put questions to the three candidates and they've been on a range of subjects such as. ethical questions like the terminations of pregnancy or indeed practical questions like who. each of the candidates would choose to be on their leadership team if they won so you know that we're going through a number of concerns the individual party members have when that process sees over we will move i think to the vote and. there will be an initial round of secret voting one thousand and one delegates are called upon to make their choice they are representing the various local associations of the party. and if no clear leader emerges from that process they'll be a run

peter craven and at hamburg at the posse conference for america was speaking we have political editor. a woman both come to both of your i want to start with you peter will be could make a farewell address at the party conference it was fairly emotionally at the end and usually reserved for the judges that they were going to look at how many minutes of ovations it was rather than nine minutes tonight or ten minutes if there is a concern of a missing she wasn't just a victim when they were just staging this they were it was hopeful you have the feeling and pretty universal you know you didn't see any grumpy old guys in the back in the back row saying now but enough of it was her favorite speeches she has been to see do you for eighteen years it was a major benefit turning point in her up political career to make this speech what stood out feel. it was a little bit like. her how the world functions according to find a battle she did it with it was the it was a great sort of speech in favor of compromise as a political approach she talked about the world stage the strength of a good compromise and what she was saying was that that's her political philosophies right from way back when from when she became c.d.u. leader in two thousand only say two years that the way that she has dealt with problems is that she first of all except to devonport the energy back to settle and that was that certainly that was a that was a coded reference to her support for undergrad come come about who's also seen as a figure who favors compromise within the party ranks as the way to move her policy forward in contrast with previous mets who is much more of a hard talking uncompromising corporate potential c.d.u. politician and leader ok so i'm. before we talk any further peter let me address in michelle who is at the a conference in hamburg. before to be ok if you think you have a result so you're going to open close to what you have today and let the system to what the delegates of the party can do to be all that the polls that you're hearing right now we have a result in what we know is the first round and it did come from both merkel's favorite without saying so received forty five percent of the vote didn't matts the comeback kid in this election he received thirty nine percent so a very strong sewing. spawn the current health minister who few believed would really stand a chance here got fifteen point seven two percent quite clearly this confirms a lot of conversations i had before this first vote that many wanted to show respect for the campaign that he led throughout never really giving up fishman it's clearly very close and a great compound bow there less than six percent between the two that means that this vote will now go into a runoff between i