people to run for political office, and the third, reverend jackson decided it was our time, and he gave so many of us a seat at the table. shirleyhisholm once said, "if you don't find your seat at the political table, bring in folding chairs." well, reverend jackson actually gave us folding chairs, comfortable chairs, cushioned chairs, because he wanted us to have a seat as campaign managers, as political strategists, as political advisers, and i am so incredibly humbled that he gave me, a young kid -- i was 23 years old -- an opportunity to serve. and i've worked on seven presidential campaigns, 56 congressional campaigns, 19 state and local campaigns, 49 states -- one more state, margaret, and i'll become miss usa without the bikini. >> i want to show you what jesse jackson said on this program to william f. buckley jr. in 1982. >> wow. >> when he was talking about the prospects for black politicians getting white voters and black voters to join behind them. i'd like to show you and get your reaction to it. >> mm. amazing. i mean, amazing. i mean, reverend jackson believed that. i still believe that. i believe that we have to