either-or for the -- you're talking about setting -- or looking at ambient levels, essentially, for the p.o.e. and e.h.p. i gave an option for just the e.c. staff, and i gave an option where they would hire a third-party consultant, and they would do it in concert with them. i do think you should ask the permit holder. >> can we say either-or? here depending the decision of the permit holder? >> yeah, you can, or you can invite her up and ask. >> i don't know, if gina, would you like, miss milano would you say, if we did -- i know you agreed to ambient sound levels at a particular time of night, would you be comfortable with our people, would you prefer a third-pert alternate kent? >> i think i would prefer my people given my history with the commission. >> okay. >> thank you. >> then i would like to make a motion that we add the following conditions to the after-hours permit for halcyon. first one is that the permit holder shall provide a calendar of events that will extend hours of entertainment past 4:00 a.m. one week in advance to the president of the entertainment commission, concerned n

the applicant has been operating under a temporary p.o.e. permit, which allowed entertainment until 1:30 a.m. the new applicant would like entertainment until 2:00 a.m. daily. in your file you'll see the e-notification they sent out to their neighboring businesses, neighbors, and community groups, along with signatures they collected from supportive patrons. northern station approves this permit with no added conditions, and here to tell you more is owner angela voloshyna. >> good evening, commissioners. i'm representing anzhelika voloshyna for vertigo. as indicated on your agenda, vertigo is under new ownership, and i might add, responsible ownership, and i can say that with great qualification, because i, my wife, and daughter, small daughter, live directly across from vertigo, and we're relieved that we don't have to deal with anymore noise, crowd control issues, et cetera. it's been very quiet. i actually asked the new owner when she was going to open. she said she's been open for quite some time, so that indicates it's been very quiet an

i was just saying that you could reference the current p.o.e. conditions and adopt whatever still makes sense for this e.h.p. this was adopted in 2002, solely by the police department, because we didn't exist then. so some of these don't even make sense anymore, or are already included as boilerplate conditions, due to the good neighbor policy and just referencing current police code. >> got it, retroactively are operating under our good neighbor policy. >> totally. >> if i could get some clarification. if we act tonight and, for example, their place of entertainment permit says operation shall cease at 2:00 a.m. and we issue a permit that says they can go to 4:00 a.m., how will that be enforced? >> i believe by having an extended hours permit, that condition becomes null and void at that point. that's a very odd condition. i can refer to the city's attorney's office on that, but since we have it agendized looking at their place of entertainment permit, we can't make changes to that. >> what i'm trying to head is for all law enforcement, both on