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jonathan swan, thank you. we will be reading axios in a little bit.er. >> thank you for joining us. "morning joe" starts right now. "morning joe" starts right now >>> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday january 23rd. joe is still not feeling well. i think he will be back tomorrow. along with willie and me we have mike barnicle, nbc news political reporter and a professor, and economic analyst, steve rattner and former chairman of the republican national committee, now an msnbc political analyst, michael steele. we will get to the very latest with the shutdown in a moment. willie, i guess you know, in honor of joe, heidi and i are going to clean our purchases because apparently there was a big story in the world of baseball, i will let you talk about it for a second. >> i will take my one second, thank you very much. even joe, a red sox fan is celebrating this guy. new class hall of famer heading to cooperstown including mike muhsinna and martinez and rivera and roy halladay and the best closer of all time, yankee great, mariano riv

talk to us about that. >> jonathan swan has an exclusive look at what the white house is doing behind the aides in the building, even out of the view a lot of the president. that is, now, there is a rush to get ready for what's coming. it started in ernest in november, which is very late. we've talk on the air, president bush, when he knew change was coming and house democrats were going to be in charge, started way back in the spring getting ready. now, they're trying to make up for lost time. the new white house counsel, swan has been told, hired 17 lawyers for the counsel's office. some are very experienced from the george w. bush years but didn't experience with what the clinton administration did with impeachment and republicans controlling the house. the person who experienced that, emmitt flood, the whoite house lawyer, the president's impeachment lawyer tried to pass on lessons learned, talking to the come shop and other cabinet agencies what happens and how to deal with it. he's the only person inside with life experience to convince them of the magnitude of what's coming. >>

national political reporter, not friday believe it or not, jonathan swan in the middle of the week. ne big thing for this morning, jonathan? >> we're looking ahead with last night. there was a lot of confusion yesterday. mike pompeo told us to expect a lot of news in the speech. there was a concern whether president trump would declare a national emergency. obviously, he didn't. i spoke to a source and they believe it's the most likely alternate option because it gives him lots of latitude, declaring an emergency and getting access to extraordinary powers and potentially around $13 billion of pentagon funds. there are a number of influential conservatives, particularly in the legal community, people plugged into the white house counsel's office think this is a bad idea and abuse of presidential power and abuse of what the term "emergency" means. if you look at history, where this has been used before, things like franklin roosevelt in the second world war, 9/11, events which know one would dispute are an emergency. >> i was going to say, based on the reaction of king abdullah of jord

jonathan swan, do you think it hurts in the primary has to. >> it may. warren she's clearly doing -- making a class argument and a race argument talking about racial inequities in a deliberate way, which bernie sanders didn't do in 2016 and also making -- to contrast her launch with kamala harris, it's interesting elizabeth warren is much more ideological, making a real argument about how america is organized and about real structural upheaval. we haven't seen that from kamala harris yet and i think that she's going to, one of her big vulnerabilities, past as a prosecutor the new democratic party, she has spoken positively about i.c.e. on television there is video of that and now the new suspicion abolish i.c.e. that's an area of vulnerability. >> and some of the lines on crime, written by a republican with kamala harris, i think you're right. >> she told me in an interview she supports abolishes i.c.e aisle say that before that. >> and old footage of her saying i.c.e. is important and illegal immigrants, et cetera. >> clearly a conversation we could hav

national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan is here, and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, now a contributing columnist for "the washington post" joins us. mike schmidt, let's start with you, i believe you have the fist reporting and some of it may have been cited in this indictment today about communications between roger stone and the campaign. talk about how today's indictment furthers our understanding of what those communications and contacts look like? >> the interesting thing about the indictment is we knew a lot of what was in there. this is about discussions that the campaign had with stone. stone was claiming to have inside information about what wikileaks had, and it seemed like the campaign was fairly receptive to that, stone communicating with steve bannon about it in the summer of 2016. and the most interesting thing that we learned today, the newest thing, was that stone had been directed by someone at the campaign to go out and to make contact with wikileaks. that was the newest piece of information. that shed the most light on why stone may have be

. >> john: judge andrew napolitano, morgan ortagus and jonathan swan reported for axios.asking for a prorated down payment in a continuing resolution that would fund government for three weeks. i did the math, 5.7 billion divided by 365 times 21 -- $327 million he wants. can he get that out of the congress? >> i cannot do math in my head the way you just did. >> i did it on the computer. >> this has devolved into a cafeteria food fight with the democrats in congress saying "but he started it" and that's why people are so frustrated. whatever moral argument that nancy pelosi and the democrats felt they had around christmas or even two weeks ago, for me that has evaporated. there is no point, we have this many resolutions come to the table that you are not seeing democrats negotiate with the president. this standoff is hurting real people. there are real people in the navy reserve that i drill with, that our federal agents that work at the u.n. in new york, these are friends of mine that have children that are living paycheck to paycheck because they may have a wife or husb

morgan ortagus, jonathan swan, national reporter.e moderate coalition to get some compromise seem to fall flat on the face. we are back to ground zero. >> it does seem -- everything i'm hearing for the administration, they have given up on a congressional solution which means declare the emergency which will take them into a court fight or omb, the budget office has been looking for creative ways to find other pots of money that they can move around. most of it comes down to the pentagon. all of these options are politically and legally challenging. it is no surprise that he is looking to tap into these disaster funds. lots of money appropriated by congress. a lot of it hasn't been spent and trump has already said privately that he wants to stop getting money to puerto rico. it doesn't surprise me that that is where they are heading. >> bret: republicans are pointing to democrats who have spoken a lot about border security. take a listen. >> we have a humanitarian crisis on the border. >> i voted on numerous times when i was a senato

let's turn to jonathan swan from axios. good to see you. >> you too, shep. >> shepard: is there any wiggle room? anything anywhere that suggested that we can end this? >> naion of the conversations i've had with white house sources or with members of leadership on capitol hill or with rank and file staff on capitol hill involved in the negotiations leads me to think yet that there's a path. certainly the people involved don't believe there's a path yet. to the extend that there's any optimism in the white house, they won't say this publicly but privately it does seem to be that there's a hope that might be among some officials a deal swapping some kind of amnesty with daca for a wall. but again, that's just some officials i should stress and it's a hope more than anything that they've gleaned from negotiations with the democrats. the sense is this could go on awhile longer. >> shepard: it feels like their main strategy is to try to sway public been to their side. >> you're 100% right. and there's been some people saying the

according to axios' jonathan swan lindsay graham told him in a conversation with the president the presidentking about military options for venezuela. first of all, what do we know about the status of the military there? the general is believed to be very corrupt, on the payroll, taking money from russia, from the cartels, from whoever propped up from maduro will they ever turn a side and let this be a peaceful transition to guaido that the white house wants and will the troops themselves not join did they do abanalysis on this >> i've had experience with venezuela in my life and dealt with hugo chavez during his presidency maduro is a corrupt and not very bright thug. he's still in office largely because of his security services which have brutally repressed the people the economy, 100% sure is going to completely implode. so maduro's days are numbered. i give him a year, but the question is will he go peacefully or will he fight? and i think he'll fight and this is going to be a very bloody situation. no good u.s. military options. zero colombia, the oas in particular are the key to trying

jonathan swan pointed out there's not a single democrat that says they like the trump compromise. think it could but at this point who knows. there's no sign there's a middle ground. >> gene, it's striking that this shutdown, the longest in history is surrounded by rhetoric on both sides as jim just pointed out, democrats feeling confident in their position, republicans feeling increasingly confident because of the president's televised appearance saturday afternoon. yet overhanging this is a level of almost indifference among elected officials that even someone as jaded as i am finds shocking. >> it's amazing. there's this fight going on and as you and jim pointed out, both republicans and democrats for their own reasons are more dug in than ever, apparently. yet there's a shutdown going on. there's real impact on real people. some of them, my neighbors here in the washington area but not just in washington. in places like alaska where there's a large percentage of federal workers and montana and places like that across the country this is having an impact. not just federal worke

. >> jonathan swan of axios is with us. i want to know what you're hearing about this story. it's still unfolding from late last night. if the story is right based on two federal law enforcement sources, this doesn't implicate just the president, it implicates his son and daughter. that would then raise the question of why mueller hasn't spoken to them, wouldn't it? >> there's a few things here. one thing i've been chasing for a while is has mueller spoken to don jr. or ivanka. it's often stated as a fact that he hasn't. i don't know one way or another and neither to defense attorneys to are close to the matter. i don't want to say definitively he hasn't. the two things intriguing people the most, number one is the very specific sourcing note at the present time, two federal law enforcement officials. it's not just that. it goes on to say involved in the investigation of the matter. so i listened to benjamin wittis before saying he doesn't think it from mueller's team. i'd be curious to think what else that could encompass. and the second is the very critical paragraph, becau

republican officials involved conceded to jonathan swan it is a stretch to imagine the white house couldreak nancy pelosi's strong command of her caucus. what is next? president trump has so far held off on declaring a national emergency. several republican members are urging president trump publicly and privacy -- privately not to do so. day 24 of the government shutdown as we get it for another week of negotiations and back-and-forths. how is the government shutdown impacting your part of the country? sandra in ohio, republican. go ahead. this to say about the shutdown. i support it totally. i also have advice to the people who have been affected by the shutdown that are waiting to go back to work is that they have temporary places you can go and get temporary jobs. it's only minimum wage, but they have those. until you do.job host: do you think the shutdown has made any impact in western -- worcester? caller: not that i know of. the last few years, i have seen a bunch of immigrants coming into this town and it is frightening to see what is happening with the caravans and everything. i

people this morning say the only way out may be the president declaring a national emergency from jonathan swan at axios and a former republican congressman saying he views that as the own way out right now, too. >> that does it for us right now. stephanie rhule picks up coverage right now. >> hi there, i'm stephanie rhule. this morning, breaking news. deputy attorney general rod rosen tine reported lid set to leave the justice department in the next few weeks. and how about the primetime plea, president trump and the democrats went on tv and beak repeated their stances on immigration. >> this is a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul. >> president trump must stop holding the american people hostage, must stop manufacturing it a crisis, must reopen the government. >> the president playing up fear. he knows that game, while the democrats are insisting it is only the president, not all republicans, just the president standing in the way of a deal as the shutdown enters day 19. and how about a margin of airer? manafort's lawyers accidentally reveal the trump's former