general mcchrystal, that's worked for russia in a way. tell me your analysis of them. >> i think it's worked brilliantly because they do it. people know they do it. they know people know they do it. yet they can just maintain the stone wall so they get the positive effect of what the force can do but also the intimidation. people know it's kind of like the mob murders somebody and they deny it. everybody knows the mob did it so they fear the mob more. i think it's been a very effective technique. >> can i ask you both, you, general mcchrystal, have written about leadership before. this is very top of your mind. defense secretary, former general mattis resigned over a point of principle with the president's policy in syria. this whole idea of with drawing the troops. tell me about that tell me about the defense secretary resigning over this. tell me what the withdrawal order means for the united states and for syria right now. >> i think on the surface any military leader or secretary of defense if they disagree with the policy just on the

now-retired four-star admiral william mcraven defending mcchrystal. mcraven led the osama bin laden raid and calls mcchrystal one of the great generals of this generation and the finest officer i have ever served with. >>> in the new year, lower gas prices. the national average for gas is $2.25 a gallon, nearly 20% of states enjoying prices below $2 a gallon. the lowest since 2017. the president tweeting about gas prices twice on new year's day. gas prices are low and expected to go down this year. this will be good. do you think it's just luck that gas prices are so low and falling? low gas prices are like another tax cut. u.s. crude settled at $45.41 a barrel monday ending the year down nearly 25%. that's considered a crash in oil prices. opec and its allies agreed earlier in december to remove 1.2 million barrels a day from world markets. members of the cartel pledged to reduce their production by 800,000 barrels per day for six months beginning in january. that move could drive crude prices up and, in turn, drive gas prices higher in the new year.

general mcchrystal has been called one of america's greatest warriors. a retired four-star general, is the former commander of the joint special operations committee or jas oh and former commander of all u.s. international forces in afghanistan. general mcchrystal is perhaps best known for developing ended up lamenting the counterinsurgency strategy in afghanistan and for creating a comprehensive counterterrorism organization that revolutionized interagency culture. imagine if you got military agencies to work together, what that must've been like.

general mcchrystal has been called one of america's greatest warriors. a retired four-star general, is the former commander of the joint special operations committee or jas oh and former commander of all u.s. international forces in afghanistan. general mcchrystal is perhaps best known for developing ended up lamenting the counterinsurgency strategy in afghanistan and for creating a comprehensive counterterrorism organization that revolutionized interagency culture. imagine if you got military agencies to work together, what that must've been like. his leadership of jsoc is credited with the capture of saddam hussein and the death of the leader of al qaeda in amalek. over as many decades of leadership in the field, general mcchrystal came to realize that our models for identifying, educating, and evaluating leaders are woefully incomplete. in his latest book " leaders myth and reality" he profiles 13 famous leaders from a wide range of fields including margaret thatcher, robert e lee, coco chanel, walt disney, to name a few. general mcchrystal is also th

now retired four-star admiral william mcraven defending mcchrystal. mcraven led the osama bin laden raid and was -- has also drawn the scorn of president trump. he calls mcchrystal one of the great generals of this generation and the finest officer i have ever served with. >>> the shooting death of a u.s. reason at the washington, d.c., barracks remains a mystery this morning. the unidentified marine was on duty early tuesday morning when he was killed. a marine spokesman confirms the fatal gunshot wound was not self-inflicted. the circumstances surrounding the incident are unclear, and the killing is being investigated by degre.c. police. >>> one thing to look forward to in the new year, lower gas prices. the national average for gas $2.25 a gallon, nearly 20% of states enjoying prices below $2 a gallon. the loafest since -- lowest since 2017. the president tweeted twice on new year's day about gas prices. prices are low and expected to go down this year, this would be good. do you think it's just luck that gas prices are so low and falling? low gas

, and so, yes, in any contest here between the issues of integrity and truth-telling, stan mcchrystal is on top. the president is i think way off base here in that kind of criticism about someone who essentially saved many american lives with the work he did in afghanistan and iraq. >> we should point out here this is coming after a four-star retired marine general jim mattis who was the defense secretary was per p mimitted toe with no farewell ceremony or honors at all from the white house. and forced innobly because he wanted to tie up loose ends. >> this contrast s wis with the president's earlier remarks about my generals, and he seemed to embrace the generals as a class of people that he could trust and admired and obviously, something has happened along the way, and i think that the something is disagreement. he does not tolerate well people who disagree with me, and even though in this case they have superior experience and integrity as well. >> thank you very much for all of your context, and coming up, opening shots. mitt romney kicking off his career with a blistering attack

you can say a lot of thinks about mcchrystal.piece published on him while he was in afghanistan. i think president obama had to take him out of office. later on he was cleared by dod ig. one thing you can say about mcchrystal is we owe him a lot for our national safety since 9/11. this guy is probably the best fighter, irregular warfare fighter we've had since world war ii. it's astonishing to me that the national security process is broken. it's impulsive. it's erratic. it comes up with bad decisions. you can clearly make a decent argument for getting out of syria and afghanistan because we don't have a strategy that's working. you can't make an argument for this kind of bizarre individual behavior by the president. >> so in sticking with this theme of people speaking out against the president, a real tipping point, it seems, for defense secretary jim mattis's departure was the president's plan to withdraw troops from syria. in his farewell message to the pentagon he wrote, our department has proourch to be at its best when the

what do democrat harry reed and mitt romney and stanley mcchrystal all have in common. ?hey say trump is immoral or amoral. i'm going to talk with a republican congressman about this plus elizabeth warren is heading to iowa as her campaign for 2020 kicks off but are questions of electability already weighing her down? amazon prime video is now on xfinity x1. so when you say words like... show me best of prime video into this... you'll see awesome stuff like this. discover prime originals like the emmy-winning the marvelous mrs. maisel... tom clancy's jack ryan... and the man in the high castle. all in the same place as your live tv. its all included with your amazon prime membership. that's how xfinity makes tv... simple. easy. awesome. >> president trump ice character is coming under criticism from past and future leaders. . romney said with the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable. and it is in this province where the incumbent's shortfall has been most glaring. and harry reid tells the "new york time

we should be clear that mcchrystal was not fired. this is a president who touts his love and respect for the military and yet he makes comments like these. >> clearly donald trump is a fan of people who are donald trump fans. that's no surprise. folks talk about how donald trump is a counterpuncher. he never misses a chance to punch below his weight. >> dave? >> it's deplorable, reckless and unbecoming of a president of the united states. these are decorated war heros who risked their lives for our country. and donald trump shouldn't be talking about decorated military vet raspbererans when he deferr the draft. now he's attacking decorated war heros like the general. >> thank you both, doug, dave. appreciate it. >> many thanks. >> thank you. >> up next, my interview with the mother of a 7-year-old little girl killed in a drive-by shooting. she and her family are pleading for him to turn himself in. >> i just want there anybody out there who knows anything about the murder of my daughter to please step up. but that's not stopping anyo

what former general four star general stanley mcchrystal said about president trump just last sunday on a.b.c. where he said the man is immoral and does not tell the truth and there's no way he would go to work for him i mean we saw larry remember in the beginning. trump surrounded himself with general service general mcmaster and general kelly it's you know general mattis all the generals are gone i think the only thing left is general chaos in the white house but those people that we thought were going to be . if you will the adults in the room bringing some control to donald trump they're gone but the way i was late teenager when truman fired what cloth don't say i wasn't going to run for. it stay right then i would take a quick break and come right back with more politics. there of russia and why it's. in a world of big partisan. lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's ti

i worked directly with general mcchrystal on many missions.t there's a lot of good people out there in the military, outside of the military. and they need to start speaking up. we need to stand up. and just let everybody know that america is diverse. and america just needs to go back to our values of individual liberty, of actually living to the architect through our constitution and everything else of what their words actually were. life, liberty and a pursuit of happiness. and it applies to every american, no matter what color you are. religion, gender or anything, all of the above. it's all of these things apply to all of us. liberty for all. and that's the point. >> kristen beck, i appreciate your perspective. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> imagine living for 19 years, never knowing you're a triplet. that's the subject of a fascinating cnn film about a reunion and the unsettling secret about why three brothers were separated to begin with. ♪ and if you feel, like i feel baby then come on, ♪ ♪ oh come on ♪ let's get it on appl

to what extent do you think this visit will focus on human rights and this is what mcchrystal said in a quote here saying it's own this area of what is happening in egypt and i will continue to focus things think it will focus i think we were seeing a change in rhetoric compared to the october twenty seven thousand visit where he said you won't lecture egypt on human rights and now the rhetoric has changed significantly change of policy too on there is a question mark he needs the. more the billions basically almost five to five billion euros that egypt gives for in terms of arms sales. which has not been moving they have been very slow the twelve fighter jets that were supposed to be delivered two years ago has not been delivered so far so that is going called a bit on the other end he's raising the human rights rhetoric is there going to be turned into policies he said he has a list of activists that he's going to present he did that in october twenty seventh when he presented the list of activist and the of the she dismissed them as linked to the muslim brothers and terrorist group

the parliaments of both countries wanted even more intense corporations but for merkel and mcchrystal today's treaty goes far enough for now. quite clearly german chancellor angela merkel and french president mano my call wanted to do nothing less than make history here in our home today as germany and france renew their vows of corporation within the european union they want to demonstrate that that franco german engine is still working and they're putting that target pretty high when they say they want to coordinate deeper on defense on security on the economy and those transport of regions sewing that europe can do this too but first and foremost this was a highly symbolic act especially in these times with brags that nationalism and trump donald trump the u.s. president and danger in what the european union stands for so them signing this treaty supporting multilateralism the german french friendship going in together is a sign to the world. mechanic or an afghan national some of the other stories making news around the world for ukrainian prime minister yulia timoshenko has annou

this after mcchrystal called him dishonest and immoral.ired like a dog by obama, adding that he was known for his, quote, big dumb mouth. mcchrystal was commander of troops in afghanistan, but he resigned in 2010 after he criticized vice president biden and other obama officials. >>> senator elizabeth warren says she is ready to run for president. the massachusetts democrat is a longtime critic of president trump and she's already planning campaign events, but warren knows she won't have the democratic field all to herself for very long. abc's david wright reports. >> reporter: as she announces her first big campaign swing through iowa, senator elizabeth warren is trying to showcase how relatable she is. >> hold on a sec. i'm going to get me, um, a beer. >> reporter: cracking a cold one on this new year's live stream with supporters. the video also featured her husband. >> this is my sweetie. >> hello. >> reporter: and their 8-month-old puppy. hours earlier warren announced her intentions on facebook. >> america's middle class is under att

it's worth noting that mcchrystal was fired by obama for disparaging top members.a total bust known for big, dumb mouth. hillary lover. let's take this in the broader context here, which is the sort of remarkable break we're seeing between president trump and his quote, unquote generals with defense secretary james mattis resigning in protest frankly over the president's policies in syria. other senior defense officials resigning. talk about this in the context of history. have we ever witnessed a break like this between a president and the military? >> certainly not a public break. one of the problems with president trump is that we're trained as historians never to use the word unprecedented because it usually means you're just not thinking hard enough, but with some of the things that president trump has said just the example of calling a former general a dog is something which basically has never occurred in american history, at least in the 20th century. there's really a general sense in which presidents listen to the generals, even though they're the commande

by the way, mcchrystal.general mcchrystal, admiral mcraven, these guys aren't pentagon staff generals. they're people who grew up in combat under machine gun fire and rpgs getting fired at them. they get to be four-star officers because they were incredibly effective battle-tested leaders keeping america safe. so look, you back off the thing and one of the dangers -- the commander in chief of the armed forces is the president of the united states. one of the things we don't want is him becoming a semi-comical figure, abusive, irrational, erratic, ignored by his allies, conned by his adversaries, kim jong un. we're in a very tricky situation with this man. >> he spoke obviously coming into the presidency of the high regard he had for what he would call the generals, "my generals." certainly putting the idea out there he would be reliant on them in many ways. to see the evolution of his relationship, the disintegration of his relationship with a lot of "the generals" in his administration, i think most pointed

then you have people like general mattis and stan mcchrystal and william mccraven who have put their lives on the line for a generation in service and defense of our public and you have that man in the white house attack them. >> yeah, joe, and that man in the white house when it came to a kuhn frontation that he felt had to be resolved quickly in order to get jim mattis out of the office of seblcretary of defense on january 1st rather than february 1st, he had mike pompeo call general mattis because he was probably afraid to call jim mattis. i'm aligned with david ignatius here in the sense that for the past three days, i've spoken to half a dozen people who were members of prior administrations and one who was still with this administration. the theme was the same. they felt there was a line of astoundingly ignorat and astoundingly isolated and dangerous incident yous involving this president who for two weeks has been in basically isolation. and he appears yesterday finally bursting at the seams to talk. and every win of the people that i spoke to had one theme in common. they ind

that's what stan mcchrystal was talking about. someone who knows mattis and talks to him.e knew mattis didn't want to leave. he wasn't looking to make money giving speeches. it wasn't like someone like nikki haley who left within two years. she has a political future ahead of her. jim mattis was trying to do the right thing for the country and felt he couldn't do that anymore in that administration. that tells me a lot. and it got me very worried when he left. i said it at the time and it's got me even more worried now watching trump just lash out in this uncontrolled way about so many things. >> the last 30 seconds, that's all we have, matt miller. a little fact check. donald trump and general mcchrystal got fired like a dog from obama. >> he did get fired. that's true. let me say something about this, though. the way that the president talks about these generals would be dishonorable for any commander in chief. it's especially so for this one. one week ago today, the day after christmas "the new york times" reported the details of why donald trump didn't serve in vietnam

the president lashing out at mcchrystal, saying in a tweet that he had been fired by obama, fired like led to admiral william mccraven, also four star, also retired, also a critic of president trump coming out and defending general mcchrystal, saying trashing -- there is no other way to put it -- on twitter general mccrystal, general mcraven and retired general james mattis, all three of them. it remains to be seen. these are the most respected military leaders of a generation. how will this play in the rank and file? >> it's also weird he said the thing about how he met so many good looking generals who are applying for jobs. that they're better looking than tom cruise. >> i don't know what to say about that. you know, good looking is in the eye of the beholder. i'm not sure -- >> it's interesting that that's like a criteria, as if it's like -- >> yeah. >> casting for a movie or tv show as opposed to actual combat. >> he is a reality show person. i suspect he thinks -- he thinks he wants generals who look like generals. you want generals who know what they're doing, who know when they

retired four-star general stanley mcchrystal among those slamming trump's syria shift, while going a step further. >> do you think he's a liar? >> i don't think he tells the truth. >> is trump immoral in your view? >> i think he is. >> reporter: that's as two of the men trump calls his generals exit the administration, john kelly out as chief of staff and defense secretary jim mattis resigning in protest over mr. trump's world view. >> i see my generals, the generals are going to keep us so safe. these are central casting. if i'm doing a movie, i would pick you, general. >> reporter: they're the latest in a string of former high ranging military officers who have been fired, pushed out, or quit the administration. >> there's only two civilians who can give instructions to the u.s. armed forces and that's the president of the united states and the secretary of defense. minus mattis, we ought to be concerned about that process. >> reporter: the break marks a turning point for mr. trump who has appointed more generals to senior positions than any other modern president, kristen. >> geof

general stanley mcchrystal and sean mcfate thaw both. it's out tomorrow. >>> still ahead, more than a month into the shutdown and no signs of a deal after democrats reject the president's new offer before it was even announced. and we continue to follow breaking news as senator kamala harris officially throws her hat into the 2020 presidential ring. "morning joe" is coming right back. coming right back mom and dad got a new car. it's not theirs, it's mine. the rx350l with three rows for up to seven passengers. lease the 2019 rx350 for $449 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. >>> my poor little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. >> that was dr. martin luther king jr. speaking at the march on washington august 28th, 1963. this morning we remember his life and legacy. also ahead, some major developments from over the weekend. democrats balk at president trump's plan to end the shutdown. they s

acronyms but stay here because this is really important when we speak about regulation for example mcchrystal space or throughout the regular financial sector these regulatory rules of the road are key for finance and here to help us demystify a couple of the acronyms or marina aronofsky of status. consultant marina welcome this is ok this is super fun to have you here we've known each other for a few years and you are an expert on this so thank you for being here and i thank you so much for having me a part that's a great ok so let's talk first about this one it's a mel it's anti money laundering and people might have an idea about that but talk about what it is and one why we have it in financial regulation well the on time money laundering rules and regulations will put in place to basically prevent the entry of duty mining into a legal agreement with human trafficking or weapons raids or some of that there right so we're told that we're just getting money oh exactly right but basically the process of washing my knees or your want to get them from dirty to clean right and that's what we me

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. >> not a lot of wiggle room, and general mcchrystal got fired like a dog by obama, and known for big dumb mouth, hillary lover. >> what job do dogs get fired for? >> he was in a feud with retired generals, that served with honor, long careers, barbara, it continues? >> it does. it's not how previous presidents have always been in agreement with retired generals, and retired generals often criticize ongoing national security events that criticize wars, and the question for the pentagon, and the question for shanahan right now is the president bringing too much political influence into the military ranks? is he politicizing the military in this country? general hertling knows more about this than anybody. in the united states, the united states military is not to be impacted by politics and it's not a political force, it's a force for the american people. when you start seeing the political influences, the rhetoric, the red hats, the make america great again hats, there are a lot of questions raised with top commanders, a lot of worry and concern that the trump administration simply is

>> well, i mean, let me just quote jenn mcchrystal who say four-star general who ran special operationsommander recently said in an interview with abc news that if he was asked by president trump to join the administration he wouldn't. and he said that the president was both dishonest and immoral in that interview. so, i moon mean, this admiral kind of outlines where a lot of four-star leaders of the military are, which is they don't really trust the president, had he don't trust his instincts. some of them wouldn't work with him even if they were asked to. and we've also seen the president pick a fight with admiral mccraven who was the architect of killing osama bin laden. these are the generals of our era and the president sat war with them as you pointed out in the begin there wasn't a group of people that he more warmly embraced two years ago when he came into office. >> the president has raised some broader concerns shared by many in the american public about the duration of the u.s. in the conflict, 17 years in afghanistan. do leaders on the ground and the military need to be held

stanley mcchrystal said that just the other day. the president is already attacking him on twitter.ho does that leave? as you said, it doesn't have to be a tactical person, doesn't have to be a former general, but who does that leave as a person who wants to get in and has the knowledge and the experience to run the defense department well? >> well, there's a lot of names floating around out there. i think shanahan may well ultimately end up as secretary of defense. i think a lot of people that have political horizons that are out in front of them are not going to want to be associated with this administration. there are patriots who i'm sure will step forward if asked by the president of the united states and try and do the best they can. but look, we got some very good civilian service secretaries. air force, army, navy. they're first-rate people. there's a strong cadre of military personnel in the pentagon. in the short run, we're not in trouble. 2.1 million men and women globally deployed, active guard, reserve. they're going to do just fine. our problem is, is there some sense

you saw general mcchrystal this weekend come out and say this president is not moral. you know, he doesn't have the right character. of course, we also hear now senator elect or now senator romney saying similar things. the generals who are retired are appalled. it's not good for military morale. it makes it hard for the current generals serving. >> let me bring you to the impasse internationally here, evelynn. because a lot of folks thought it notable the president in this meeting seemed to become the first sitting president to endorse the soviet division of afghanistan. and this morning you now have a new reaction from the foreign minister of afghanistan who tweets, soviet occupation was a grave violation of afghanistan's territorial integrity and sovereign sovereignty. any other claim defies historical facts. egos on, heroic resistance of afghans for freedom of independent engrained in history. what does this do in a real world way to operations oak, if anything? >> okay. well, halle, this one was appalling. it was almost on the level of helsinki. i'm sure we will h

the french president has criticized egypt's human rights record during a visit to caro emanuel mcchrystal says it appears even worse now to the deposed president hosni mubarak. turkey's president is looking at establishing what he calls safe zones which would make it easier for refugees to return to syria about four million syrian refugees are living in turkey an estimated three hundred thousand have already returned to syria. and funerals have been held for some of the victims of a dam collapse in south eastern brazil the number of dead has now risen to sixty five nearly three hundred million people are still missing after the disaster at an iron ore mine in the town of bronzino on friday most of them are presumed dead the damage recently been inspected the cause of the collapse remains unclear. as daniel has more from. this is just the first of some of the many funerals to take place here in the town in the next few days weeks. as i speak something like fifty eight bodies have been recovered this is a small town of about seventy thousand people everybody knows everybody else people here

retired general stanley mcchrystal and california democratic senator, kamala harris. both reflect on their lives and author and white house reporter, april ryan leads a discussion on race in america. this holiday weekend, three days of nonfiction authors and books. for a complete schedule, visit booktv.org. also follows on social media for schedule updates and more at booktv. >> booktv attends numerous book fairs and festivals throughout the year. recently, we are at the national press club book fair in washington d.c.. spoke with elaine weiss about suffragist history. >> the women's hour is the name of the book. elaine weiss is the author. booktv has covered your book. but we have not talked to you since a big shout out. what happened? >> well, secretary hillary clinton, read the book. and found the story compelling and important. a story that we don't know very well. how women actually won the right to vote, had to fight for it for over seven decades. and she found it a very important story historically. which of course, does have some very modern residents, especia

. >> general flynn general mcchrystal, mattis, mcmaster have all said the best way to defeat the sunniinsurgency is with sunnis, sunni males common sunni intelligence. sunni males, motor age fighting males in this isis campaign never sought to use the sunnis that maliki exited from the iraqi secret forces to kill -- the biggest problem is isis is alive and well in northern iraq reconstruction funds will not rebuild ramani and mosul because white give isis something back to take over? the argument is almost let's destroy it's a isis is everything to fall back on. my body is an example of that yet isis is still there. >> we i think need to start going to q&a because i suspect with the top of his big the a lot of questions. let's start with you in the back. corner back. >> just try to project. >> action was in baghdad, but i've always wondered maybe former president was correct that iraq should have, broken three ways. i'm wondering is or any possibility that iraq could evolve into a loose federation of shia, sunni and kurd like some of these autonomous regions? is any possibility of that

general flynn, general mcchrystal, all saidthe best way to defeat the sunni insurgency is with sunnis , and sunni intelligence. and sunni intelligence and this isis campaign never sought to use the sunni that malady exited from the iraqi security forces to fill isis interact, never built a sunni forcein syria . the biggest problem here is isis is alive and well in northern iraq. reconstruction funds are not going to rebuild rahmani and mosul because why get isis something back to take over? the argument is almost let's destroy itself isis doesn't have anything to fall back on and yet isis is still there. >> i think we need to start going to q&a because isuspect with a topic this day there will be a lot of questions so let's start with you in the back . >> let's see how close you can get with a boom, just triedto project . [inaudible] >> i'm wondering is there any possibility that iraq could evolve into a loose federation of shiite, sunni and occurred like some of these autonomous regions? is there any possibility of that happening? >> not without violence. iraq is like an ipad. you dr

what didn't get mentioned there, certainly by the military officials, is that in 2009 when general mcchrystalthat we were in danger of losing, he cited a number of 25 potential taliban numbers. after the surge and all the things in between, the last commander said there is approximately 60,000. so it doesn't matter how many bombs were dropped, how did troops we leave. they will never stop because there's going to be no shortage of replacements for everyone we take out. >> harris: real quickly come i want to try and get to syria. but i have to ask this -- what did we think we could accomplish in afghanistan that russia couldn't accomplish? we are not the only country who has gone there and tried to make a difference, and kind of deal with the taliban, if you will. >> right. for as much as we heap criticism on russia for having left, at least they recognized something that wasn't going to succeed. i just really hope that the president sticks with his guns, because he's the only people who has had the courage who don't like to say we to leave. that policy is good for america. >> harris: real qui

i was there when stanley mcchrystal came through on the famous rolling stone tour. years of congress persons taking these trips, nothing has changed. they haven't declared war. they have basically rubber stamped the ndaa to keep these things funded because it's the ultimate pork bill anyway. and so congress isn't there -- relieving their responsibility to the president there on presidential authority. i don't know what the speaker of the house going there two weeks into the job is going to do for those men and women overseas. steve: real quick exit question. who is winning this fight? >> i don't think anyone is winning. we are all losing this fight. i think that it's increasingly obvious it's a political fight. if you look at the two. the only argument there that could be winning is a wall might actually make us safer. but, at the end of the day, this is a fight over politics. this is a fight over who can win for political purposes and it doesn't do anything for our country at all. steve: joey jones joining us from atlanta. sir, thank you have a nice weekend. >> abs