he was sally yates' deputy and yet he claims he never said this to sally yates. this needs to go to a grand jury where bruce ohr and sally yates are brought in to say whether he told her or not. and then for us who know the justice department, it's odd -- john solomon is such a good reporter. his facts are accurate. lou: john solomon reporting for the hill. >> this is his story. i was deputy assistant attorney general. i did not brief section chiefs and line attorneys. they are not senior justice department officials. those kinds of people briefed me. why is ohr briefing people lower on the totem pole than me. and here's what else is wrong. he's briefing andrew wiseman. andrew wiseman is the head of the fraud section as you just reported. i soup rised the fraud section. it has nothing to do with fisa applications. what was he doing there. lou: not a part of what would be a counter espionage or counter intelligence operation or in any way associated with the national security division. >> out of his portfolio completely. more than the congress lying about what was

maria: and you want to see sally yates testify. >> i do. that's the perfect example of why.torney general, sally yates, who signed the first fisa application. let's ask why she verified an unverified dossier according to her own deputy, bruce ohr, why she verified that christopher steele was reliable and credible when her own deputy, bruce ohr, had questions about christopher steele's reliability and credibility. none of that was disclosedded to the fisa court. my guess is that sally yates is probably going to say i wasn't aware of those facts, and if that's what she says, there's going to be a whole bunch of work for a bunch of criminal defense lawyers. maria: congressman, thanks very much. we'll be watching the developments. developments. >> all money managers might seem the same, developments. >> but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do

maria: and you want to see sally yates testify. >> i do. that's the perfect example of why.former deputy attorney general, sally yates, who signed the first fisa application. let's ask why she verified an unverified dossier according to her own deputy, bruce ohr, why she verified that christopher steele was reliable and credible when her own deputy, bruce ohr, had questions about christopher steele's reliability and credibility. none of that was disclosedded to the fisa court. my guess is that sally yates is probably going to say i wasn't aware of those facts, and if that's what she says, there's going to be a whole bunch of work for a bunch of criminal defense lawyers. maria: congressman, thanks very much. we'll be watching the developments. >> you bet. thanks, maria. maria: we'll be right back. stay with us. while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay? i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement. there's brushing...and there's oral-b power brushing. oral-b just cleans better. even my hygienist said going electric could

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maria: and you want to see sally yates testify. >> i do. that's the perfect example of why.ey general, sally yates, who signed the first fisa application. let's ask why she verified an unverified dossier according to her own deputy, bruce ohr, why she verified that christopher steele was reliable and credible when her own deputy, bruce ohr, had questions about christopher steele's reliability and credibility. none of that was disclosedded to the fisa court. my guess is that sally yates is probably going to say i wasn't aware of those facts, and if that's what she says, there's going to be a whole bunch of work for a bunch of criminal defense lawyers. maria: congressman, thanks very much. we'll be watching the developments. developments. >> to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪ i can't tell you anything about myself. wonderful life on earth. but believe me..

[laughter] mark: did he send a communiquÉ to sally yates, deputy attorney general from obama and while democrats were holding up sessions for confirmation until they could drag a recusal out she was the acting attorney general to block the president of the united states because she was not going to allow the justice department to argue for his executive order, and defense of it, on the limited immigration status of certain countries, individuals from certain countries. he told her to keep it up. good fight. >> he was applauding her resistance to the president. mark: you've been doing this a long time, prosecutor on time, defense counsel a long time in the media treatment of the -- i look at the media treatment of ken starr in the media treatment of robert mueller and they are opposites of each other. has the media gone completely in the tank? >> yes, no doubt about that. the other thing you need to know is that andrew wiseman is a master manipulator of the media. he did that study the enron litigation also. in fact, he sat in the courtroom with his arm around mary flood, lead reporter

consulted with the president's defense attorneys who have written op-eds defending his firings of sally yatesomey to be his attorney general. so in this context, just asking us to trust you is not enough. why won't you simply follow jeff sessions' lead and take and follow t-- the critical portion being follow -- the advice of the foreign policy ethics officials? >> because the regulations and the responsibilities of attorney general is the head of the agency. that's that responsibility in the attorney general. and i'm not going to surrender the responsibilities of the attorney general to get the title. i don't need the title. if you don't trust me to -- >> excuse me. you have repeated that answer many, many times, however, i think we all acknowledge that jeff sessions possibly didn't want to recuse himself but he did. and so you have it within your power to follow the ethics advice of your own department, and you're telling us you're not going to, so that is the bottom line. >> no, senator, i think jeff sessions recused himself because of a different provision which was the political campaign

it stems from bernie sanders on the left and sally yates and james comey on the right who are supportingemocrats very openly. they have been seeking a united front from basically all the forces in american politics that believe trump is an unacceptable threat in office. >> right. >> and that he needs to be defeated. and they have sort of kind of convinced themselves that at least part of their donor class base is with them on that. and at least on these questions of economic power, they're coming to -- i hope that they're coming to learn that that's not really the case, and when push comes to shove, people like howard schultz who will play nice on issues like the environment and on gay rights and other social issues will throw the election to trump if he thinks that's what he needs to stop an economically progressive agenda. >> well, one thing i was looking at about the donor class, actually, the democratic donor class is quite liberal. interestingly, people that give over a thousand dollars -- some data for progress data i was looking at -- their opinions on stuff matches pretty well wi

would it mean everybody who signed that document including james comey, including sally yates and rod rosenstein? who else do we know signed it? >> dana fuente signed it. five people signed it. james baker, i have been able to confirm today his testimony. he prepared that documented. he said because he was the fisa expert. here is the department of justice regulations they violated. only documented an verified information may be used in application of the fisa court. they broke their own rules and they committed six different felony violations as well. i confirmed today part of the testimony of bruce ohr. what jumps out is this exchange with congress behind closed doors. ohr: on one of the occasions when i talked to the f.b.i. they said oh, next time you talk with christopher steele can you ask him is he willing to meet with us? i conveyed that back to chris. question: after he had been terminated? ohr: correct. it's worse. after james comey was fired, a panicked f.b.i. gets in touch with ohr yet again and says you have got to get us back with christopher steele. why? because they wer

james comey, sally yates, rod rosenstein and all the others appeared to have made a conscious decision to make materially false statements and lie and commit a fraud on the fisa court. this must be investigated and handled. the rule of law must prevail. and actively concealing pertinent information and failing to disclose those judges that any of this in the fisa application on carter page. they presented it as full and truthful and they knew the exact opposite. they abuse the fisa warrant process that is in violation of america's constitutional rights. and it undermines a duly elected president. now, remember, james comey told the president the document was unverified and salacious. well, that was in january of 2017. he signed off on it as accurate in october of 2016. and william barr, once you are confirmed as the attorney general, you must do your job. you must investigate this. and this two tiered justice system. we have more on that later in the program. joining us now first, more on our top story, we start tonight with our radio talk show host, syndicated host larry elder. friend

testimony of a top fbi lawyer by the name of tricia anderson, who told congress last august that sally yatesputy attorney general, and andrew mccabe, the deputy fbi director, did a line by line examination and review, their own independent review, of the fisa application to spy on the trump campaign. which means that they were involved in an egregious abuse of power because none of the information contained was verified, and that is a direct violation of fbi regulations. and they were perpetrating a fraud on the fisa court, which could be several different felonies, as well. six different felonies. i lay them all out in the book. >> sean: that dovetails into your report from last week, john, about how everybody was warned by bruce ohr that it was hillary's, but steele hated trump, not to trust it. your new report tonight about the fbi lawyers, playing dual roles, dovetails into greg's report. >> it does, and catherine herridge from fox news. she has went out tonight, cites testimony, without the ohr dossier being put into the fisa warrant, it had a 50/50 chance of surviving the fisa court. n

james comey, sally yates rod rosenstein they all lied to a fisa court.hey never checked the veracity of the charges in the clinton bought and paid for firestone dossier. are they going to be charged for those blatant crimes? this is sad and now going to be the end of real justice in america because this is a two tiered system of justice and today after posting bail. roger stone, he remains defiant. take a look. >> i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. i believe this is a politically motivated investigation. i am troubled by the political motivation of the prosecutors and as i have said previously, there is no circumstance whatsoever under which i will bear false witness against the president nor will i make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. i look forward to be fully and completely vindicated. >> sean: according to the special counsel, the basis for stone's arrest around his attempt to source clinton campaign emails acquird by wikileaks. by the way that's not a crime. i have said it before and i will say it again. i

axelrod, the former deputy attorney general who served under sally yates. help us out here.'s in charge if rosenstein leaves? who's over seeing the investigation by mueller? >> that's the right question, chris. because the short answer is we don't really know. bill barr has been nominated and his conformation hearings are next week. normally f he were confirmed, he would over see the probe. the regulations provide its arer the attorney general who supervises the special counsel. but he sent a probe about the mueller probe. and if confirmed, mr. barr would need to recuse from oversight of the mueller probe. >> do you have any sense of why mr. rosenstein would know that the probe is going to be over by march? would he have been give an heads up by the mueller people? >> yeah, i -- look, that's possible. i'd say first, i think the only person who knows when the mueller probe is going to end is special counsel mueller and frankly, he may not even know because investigations develop in unextected ways. i'll give you an example which is until today my understanding is and still i

james comey, an griewf mccabe, sally yates rod rosen sometime all committed crime on a fisa court presenting hillary clinton's dirty dossier biased. it was never verified, never corroborated and full of russian lies and they never told the courts that it was bought and paid for by hillary clinton. next up, mr. barr, you get this job you need to look into the theft and leaking of government documents. jim comey obviously committed a serious crime when he intentionally leaked his fbi memos about his conversations with the president. it's important to also look at abuse of power changes that would be comey, mccabe, strzok, all fired, lisa engage. bruce orh should have been deported twice. disagree with politically all trying to get hillary clinton elected and then having an insurance policy, and a media leak strategy if, in fact, donald trump did win. let's not forget about lying to the fbi. after all, this crime shouldn't only apply an american war hero like general flynn and trump campaign staff like george. andrew mccabe was fired over that charge. is he going to receive the same treatment a

remember sally yates and michael flynn, they knew michael flynn lied about his conversations with the russian ambassador. one reason that's a concern, they knew the russians knew what took place in those conversations and they could then use that as leverage against michael flynn who was then the national security adviser. if the russian leader, russian intelligence knows what took place in those meetings and the president and putin discussed things or made promises to each other or so on, did they know and members of the president's own administration or lawmakers on capitol hill or you and i don't know. that, by itself, could leverage. if the president were to mislead the public on what he said or what assurance he's made or assurances he was given. so that by itself is concerning. >> what's also very concerning, i never thought we'd see this, after the president fired comey, the fbi actually began to investigate whether the president was acting on behalf of the russians wittingly or unwittingly. >> yeah, it's pretty remarkable. i know shimon's reporting discovered some of the trans

consulted with the president's defense attorney, who has written offense defending his firings of sally yates james comey to be his attorney general. in this context, just asking us to trust you is not enough. why won't you simply follow jeff sessions' lead and take and follow the critical -- the advice of the department ethics officials? >> because the regulations of the responsibilities of attorney general, as the head of the agency, that is the responsibility of the attorney general. i am not going to surrender the responsibilities of the attorney general to get the title. i don't need the title. if you don't trust me to -- >> excuse me, you have repeated that answer many, many times. however, i think we all acknowledge that jeff sessions possibly didn't want to recuse himself. but he did. so you have it within your power to follow the ethics advice of your own department to come and you are telling us you are not going to. so that at the bottom line. >> no, senator, i think jeff sessions recuse himself because of a different provision, which was the political conflict provision. he played

can't give a good answer for why he's breaking with the precedent that was set by eric holder and sally yates and rod rosenstein and jeff sessions to follow the advice of career ethics firms, so we don't have to trust them, we can trust people that have -- that bring impartiality to the table. he'll probably get confirmed, anyway because i don't think republicans care but it's a glaring, gaping hole in his, you know, pledge to honor the department's traditions. >> elise, i have this feeling we're looking at everything on this sort of sliding scale. we're grading everybody on a curve. and he's so benefited by the fact that matt whitaker is thought of by most conservative legal scholars as a boob so the doj is led by a boob so everyone looks at barr and it's like the scene in "american president" when you're so hungry for leadership, you're going to crawl through the sand and you realize it's a mirage, you're going to drink the sand. is there drinking of sand going on with barr? >> i spoke with a senior administration official in george h.w. bush's administration who served alongside barr in th

elliott williams, former deputy assistant attorney general at doj who prepped loretta lynch and sally yates among others for their confirmation hearings. em yac elliott, how do you think this is playing out? maybe you can answer my process question, and that is that these unasked follow-ups that are just hanging out there, are those going to go to senators like harris as we continue? >> yeah, so they have the benefit of being later in the day. to piggy back on something matt said earlier, the unfortunate design of the committee right now is that the more effective questioners are at the bottom of the dais, probably starting with sheldon whitehouse on down. they've been listening to this very closely. a number of them have their own impulses. you know, given what booker and harris' plans might be in the future. so that may color what they're asking questions of. at the end of the day, this process is inherently flawed because it allows nominees to do what barr is doing, which is sort of not really answer questions and duck and dodge and not make the firm commitments that are required of some

as sally yates under oath if she knows how classified information got into the newspapers. he gave a now-infamous interview to lester holt where he said i fired comey or sounded like he was saying i fired jim comey because of the russia investigation. he also posed for real happy, smiley pictures in the oval office with two russian diplomats who had been inside the oval office for really the latter part of the obama administration and said, i've got a lot of pressure relieved when i fired that nut job jim comey. so it was a time -- it might have even been conservative. i know part of the right wing response is, this just confirms the president's suspicions. there were so many public facing pieces of evidence that the president was working in a way that made vladimir putin very happy and continues to do so. >> again, if we want to stay in this time capsule, this meeting that's up on the screen right now, he didn't just mean the reference to comey and pressure that was relieved. it's also the case that the white house press corps was not allowed in that room. it came from sta

consulted with the president's defense attorneys, who has written op-eds defending his firings of sally yates and james comey to be his attorney general. so in this context, just asking us to trust you is not enough. why won't you simply follow jeff session's lead and take and follow the critical portion being follow, the advice of the departments ethics officials? >> because the regulations and the responsibilities of the attorney general as the head of the agency vest that responsibility in the attorney general. and i am not going to surrender the responsibilities of the attorney general to get the title. i don't need the title. if you don't -- if you don't trust me to -- >> you have -- excuse me. you have repeated that answer many, many times. however, i think we all acknowledge that jeff sessions possibly didn't want to recuse himself, but he did, and so you have it within your power to follow the ethics advice of your own department and you're telling us you're not going to, so that is the bottom line. >> no, senator, i think jeff sessions recused himself because of a different provision

consulted with the president's defense attorneys, who has written op-eds defending his firings of sally yates and james comey to be his attorney general. so in this context, just asking us to trust you is not enough. why won't you simply follow jeff session's lead and take and follow the critical portion being follow, the advice of the departments ethics officials? >> because the regulations and the responsibilities of the attorney general as the head of the agency vest that responsibility in the attorney general. and i am not going to surrender the responsibilities of the attorney general to get the title. i don't need the title. if you don't -- if you don't trust me to -- >> you have -- excuse me. you have repeated that answer many, many times. however, i think we all acknowledge that jeff sessions possibly didn't want to recuse himself, but he did, and so you have it within your power to follow the ethics advice of your own department and you're telling us you're not going to, so that is the bottom line. >> no, senator, i think jeff sessions recused himself because of a different provision

. >> so jill, a check of the calendar shows it was two years ago today sally ann yates was fired. and looking back on it, that kind of started -- well, it started a lot, and it's been a long two years that also started a kind of period of attack against the fbi. fast forward to today. the president is asking that the tactics and methods used to storm the stone home in fort lauderdale, florida predawn last friday be at least looked at, looked into. >> yeah, the same day that the president suggested that the u.s. intelligence officials go back to school because he believes he knows more about iran than they do. later that day you've got the president in this interview with the daily caller suggesting that maybe the fbi's tactics need to be looked at, or that he would look at the fbi's tactics once again because he was clearly very thrown by the way roger stone was brought into custody that day, which has been described as, you know, a pretty standard way of approaching somebody when you're concerned that they might do something to compromise evidence, if you're concerned that they m

prominent women in politics and policy over the past year was longtime justice department official sally yatese was fired by president trump for refusing to defend that travel ban in 2017 when she was acting attorney general. carol: and remember, that was just a few days into the trump administration and the controversy over the mueller probe and other issues. she says the independence of the d.o.j. is still in peril. she spoke with our bloomberg editor-in-chief john micklethwait. sally: you can debate whether you agree with a particular decision by a judge, but trying to undermine the very legitimacy of that judge or of our judicial system just by way of example is something that is not only new, but i think really dangerous. because we can't expect that at the end of this presidency, that we are elastic enough to where the public confidence all bounces back to these institutions. and for a lot of the reasons we were just talking about a few minutes ago, these institutions really only function properly if the public has confidence in them. the department of justice really can only function if

we also know that the number two at the doj sally yates at the time and number two andrew mccabe theyrrant. they knew what it was about. they knew where it was coming from. they knew it was based on the steele dossier. other officials there knew that it had been paid for by the clinton campaign. this is the place where we find that collusion is charged. it's only in opposition research paid for by the clinton campaign. ed: i have less than 30 seconds, lee. >> this is what the mueller probe is based on. ed: led people to say this is poisonous fruit coming from that tree because the investigation was sort of a sham from the start as you suggested. less than 30 seconds. are these process crimes? people still each if the investigation started unfairly or under improper terms, you still have to tell the truth to the fbi. you still cannot tamper with witnesses. >> yes. you have to tell the truth. again, as i said, i have no particular insight into these charges right now. but what i am saying, what do i believe is that the mueller investigation right now is being used as a political instrum

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