are they relevant to whitewater? what are those?e president's aides would lead to years worth of unanswered questions about the nature of the documents that had been in foster's possession. but while some things were removed from the office, others seemed to suddenly appear. >> six days after mr. foster's death, a torn-up note is found in the bottom of his briefcase. >> vince foster's handwritten letter of distress before his suicide was found in a briefcase in his white house office, torn into more than two-dozen pieces. >> white house press secretary dee dee myers says the note appeared to confirm suicide because of despair about his high-pressure job. >> it did show him to be in a distressed state of mind, a troubled state of mind, per work. >> the note read, "i was not meant for the job of the spotlight of public life in washington. here, ruining people is considered sport" and that "the public will never believe the innocence of the clintons and their loyal staff." >> one of the jottings on the note was "the wall street journal

. >> jim got the clintons to invest with him in the whitewater estates. >> whitewater failed. >> jimcdougal bought madison guaranty savings and loan. >> savings and loans began to drop like flies. >> here was this young upstart governor from arkansas. came out of nowhere. >> i still believe in a place called hope. >> president clinton canceled his public schedule after the tragic death of his white house lawyer vincent foster. >> there were all kinds of crazy theories. >> whitewater was complicated. >> the politically smart thing to do became the appointment of an independent counsel. >> the president, today, has directed the attorney general to appoint a special counsel. >> she basically said, "i won't be talking to you again until this is over." >> there were all sorts of rumors and allegations. if this is really all true, where are the women? ♪ ♪ >> amid the christmas cheer of 1993, the clinton white house was under attack by well-funded right wing activists determined to take down the president. >> there were certainly people, based on ideology, who wanted to knock bill clinton o

how is this whitewater? >> how is this whitewater? >> i can't -- i can't comment on the specifics.t wasn't pleasant, and we tried to say, to one another, "try to shield yourself from the media. the media doing what they need to do. that's not our playing field. our playing field are the courts." >> the pressure on everyone increased as the press coverage got more and more hostile. >> president clinton's private life erupted noxiously into the public domain. >> someone found a video film of the president and monica lewinsky at a rope line that was played over and over and over on television. >> it was an uncontainable situation that rolled across the country like a giant boulder, crushing all other news in its path just days away from the state of the union. >> npr and two other news organizations had been given pre-state of the union interviews. we woke up the morning of our interview and read the front page of thewashington post and looked at each other and went, like, "what? i guess we have to ask him about this." looking back on it, it seems so silly and quaint. i said, "gee, mr

let me read you your rights. >> whitewater. >> political turbulence over whitewater. >> whitewater becamehat led prosecutors to a sex scandal. >> the ayes have it. >> there it is. >> william jefferson clinton is impeached. >> that became the second presidential impeachment in presidential history. how on earth did that little corner of arkansas -- >> i hereby deliver the articles of impeachment. >> -- explode into a constitutional showdown? >> it was a two-bit real estate deal and one thing leads to another and we were on the house floor debating whether the president of the united states should be removed from office. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> when we think of the clinton impeachment we think of a certain white house intern. >> but before there was monica there were the macdougals, jim and susan. clinton might never have been impeached if not for them. it was jim macdougall who had convinced the clintons to invest in white watter. and they had other financial ties as well. so when jim and susan landed in legal trouble for fraud? >> if i am foun

all of those doubts were seen as the whitewater investigation group and by drama of impeachment.here are still questions that have never been answered. nobody really understands by the magical reappearance of the records that have never been explained in the public has never seen the full drafting of the whitewater investigation but for the women who accused bill clinton and even hillary clinton of wrongdoing the crusade has continued. time has passed and the lens through which the clinton years has judged has a new one. today the shadows of the clinton scandal still loom over the nation's capital. they can be read in every press release and every angry response, they can be heard in partisan enunciation's two decades later. they can be felt in the mistrust so many people share for our institutions. a legacy of those years is scandalous. >> in san diego, the caravan that showed its propensity for violence once again they decided to assault border patrol agents. >> wednesday, january 2nd and this is "fox and friends first". happening right now at 4:00 am donald trump calls for an

the legacy of those years is scandalous. ♪ >> previously on "scandalous"... >> whitewater development- jim and susan mcdougal, bill and hillary clinton. >> i did not testify before the grand jury because i did not trust the prosecutors. >> the mcdougals and the governor of the state of arkansas, jim guy tucker, were convicted. >> today, the american people have spoken. >> there was this woman who used to work in the white house named linda tripp. >> linda tripp and monica lewinsky were friends. >> monica was in love with the president. >> she told me all sorts of things. >> linda tripp had been taping her phone calls. >> this is paula jones. >> it's just humiliating what he did to me. >> this case is going all the way up to the supreme court.

had remained in little rock, arkansas, trying to wrap up what began as an investigation into the whitewaterdeal. along the way, ewing had drafted some possible indictments to potentially be used depending on how the investigation progressed. one draft centered on the first lady of the united states and the mystery surrounding missing billing records from the rose law firm. >> didn't circulate it to anybody, it was not ever presented to a grand jury, but i've got it in a notebook, and it's sitting on my shelf. and it says, "u.s. versus 'a,' 'b', 'c,' hillary rodham clinton, 'd,' 'e,' 'f,' 'g.'" ♪ >> on april 27, 1998, ken starr's prosecutors gathered in a large conference room at their headquarters in washington, d.c. >> the independent counsel convenes a final meeting. we're gonna decide whether we should go forward with an indictment of mrs. clinton and others or should we drop it. >> hickman ewing took the floor and presented the contents of his notebook. >> i'm basically going through various events -- you know, the disappearance of the billing records, what the billing records show. >>

suspicion aides were hiding documents about the clinton involvement in a failed arkansas deal called whitewater>> four business partners. it seemed to be a small issue. the only way to get that out of the way it was if someone could investigate what actually happens. >> i'm not making any statements. ibility, and i accept that. the revolution was voters rendering the verdict. on the sitting president. there's no way you'd win it. in the end, i cast all caution to the wind, and that's where we are. ♪ >> if a short-term spending bill isn't passed by congress and signed by the president, 800,000 federal workers will be sent home. >> the fall of 1995 saw washington, d.c., gripped by a budget showdown with no end in sight. house speaker newt gingrich had added demands into the government funding bill that president clinton refused to accept. by november 14th, with neither side willing to back down, the government ran out of money. >> the government is partially shutting down. >> a lot of people said, "this may work out very well for the republicans. it didn't. the people hated the shutdown. >> the s

including whitewater from 1994 to 99. former chancellor of baylor university. and the author of a recently published book, contempt, a memoir of the clinton investigation. our moderator, i will shortly turn this over to, is -- a widely known legal expert and television anchor at times for cnn, fox, nbc news, former criminal defense and civil trial lawyer. she is currently a computer to voice of america. with a program called plugged in. you may have noticed that most recently, she does that conducted an interview with president trump, the g20 summit and lazarus. welcome. with that, -- , thank youu for um for coming today. or watching via livestream. it is exciting to be here. watching the video showing freedom forum, freedom in the united states is -- i have traveled the world and we are so lucky to have freedom of the press in the united states. boy, what a difference it makes. i liked tip my hat to that part of the constitution. one of my favorite. let's talk about special prosecutors in independent counsel investigations. to take you back to 1970, give us so

whitewater led to impeachment because he lied. it was not finding guilt of whitewater.t's what they are trying to do here. just get him for lieing. >> it doesn't matter. >> the second point i wanted to make about the repurcussions, president trump put out this thing about i have damaging information on cohen's family. >> this is a lying, embezzling rat represented by a clinton attorney. >> you are talking about michael cohen. >> the women's march losing key supporters and the co-founder makes another controversy comment. it's a big one. that's ahead. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪ but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient i have... originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. this is a very difficult job. failure is not an option.a. more than half of employees across the country bring financial stress to work. if you're stressed out financially at hom

witness tampering was one of the articles of impeachment with former republicans involved in the whitewaterstinguishes this from that. that will be quite interesting. >> i agree. this is going to be serious. i think this is much more serious and potentially damaging to the country. >> more serious why? >> not only does it involve criminal conduct but it expands the criminal conduct to our allies, to our economy. not really concerns of anybody back in 1973-'74. the economy of foreign relations. they are now. it's possible we don't know some of the stuff trump is doing with syria is designed to improve his relations with his base, with russia and other things. >> didn't history ultimately prove that watergate was a third-rate burglary? >> no, no, no. >> i'm kidding. >> okay, i'm sorry. i surrender. >> david -- >> thank you very much. >> kim, thanks to both of you for your expertise. what you said is pretty arresting. i hope you'll come back. >>> meanwhile, a top democrat says likely they are a no on barr unless he were to release the mueller report, which he won't do. laurence tribe joins me

kim whale y, independent counci in the whitewater investigation.right, kim, what message does it send us? if rozenste rosenstein wants to around until the investigation is done. if barr says, thanks, see you around, what should we take from that? >> i think that would be troubling. my suspicion is rosenstein does want to stay until the end because he's been not only integral in getting this going. without him, we would not have oversight of this president. so my personal view is that mr. rosenstein will go down in the history bookings as an american hero for actually having taken steps for holding the president accountable. we just know the -- we scratched the surface publicly. mr. barr would benefit from his knowledge and experience with respect to this particular subject matter. my guess is given mr. barr's reputation and history of public service, i suspect rosenstein is quite confident he's handing things off to someone who will take this very seriously. given that whitaker's in place, rosenstein is no longer the person, as pete mentioned, that

we're heading off in the whitewater to go fishing in the rapids. to one of the most dangerous parts of the country. there is a very strong militant group here that, over the last few days, has killed probably dozens of civilians. in the vast rainforest, we go looking for endangered gorillas found nowhere else on earth. and we discover the incredible wealth below the ground that could make this country one of the world's richest, rather than being one of the poorest. if you'd like to take an even more immersive journey up the congo river in virtual reality, visit bbc.com/virtualreality to find out how. hello, the first weekend of 2019 has been a fairly grey affair, under the extensive cloud for much of the uk. it has been mainly dry, quite quiet. it has been mainly dry, quite quiet. it will change over the next few days, and it will turn increasingly windy, particularly across scotland. that is because we are seeing some su btle that is because we are seeing some subtle changes in the jet stream. the wind high in the atmosphere. it has been well to

the read from a former whitewater counsel ken starr after this. failure is not an option. half of employees across the country bring financial stress to work. if you're stressed out financially at home, you're going to be too worried to be able to do a good job. i want to be able to offer all of the benefits that keep them satisfied. it is the people that is really the only asset that you have. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential. bring your challenges. >> the mueller investigation completed, i think it's absolutely ridiculous and even stupid to want to impeach someone before the investigation is over, while at the same time he's saying we need to protect the investigation. >> he's the key player, he's a central figure throughout this entire narrative, ran the clinton investigation, the lead investigator on the russia investigation and he's the key investigator and i think the sequence of text messages are important. remember, peter strzok opens the russia investigation on july 31st, eight days later we have the text message we saw in the rep

these fishermen use the whitewater to help them with their catch.rom an early age, they learn how to use the deadly currents to check their nets, secure their ropes and survive the raging rapids. these huge wicker baskets trap the fish. so when the water's really high, there are hundreds of these guys out here, with hundreds of these nets, pulling in huge fish. the water is not as high at the moment. you can see how dangerous it is today. imagine when this is in full flood, it is crazy. they are brought up from little kids to do this, and they do it very skilfully. every young boy has to go through the ritual of learning to swim, of understanding the twists and turns of the current. it is his first plunge into a tough life on the river. it was touch and go, but eventually we made it to safety. from here, the main river channel turns out, but we are going to keep going. the worst affected part of the country is the east, far from the country is the east, far from the capital and close to neighbouring uganda and rwanda, and their designs on the minera

we are heading off in the whitewater to go fishing in the rapids.us parts of the country. there is a very strong militant group here that over the last few days has killed probably dozens of civilians. in the vast ra i nforest, we probably dozens of civilians. in the vast rainforest, we go looking for endangered gorillas found nowhere else on earth. and we discover the incredible wealth below the ground that could make this country one of the world's richest, rather than being one of the poorest. if you would like to take an even more immersivejourney would like to take an even more immersive journey up the congo river in virtual reality, visit bbc.com/virtualreality to find out how. hello, once again. just because a big area of high pressure is dominating the weather across many parts of the british isles, and it's dry for many, it doesn't mean to say that we're all in the same boat. as we see here, quite a transformation in the day, once the cloud peeled away to reveal those gloriously blue skies. but, if you kept the cloud right throughout the da

i thought it was outrageous, and kenneth starr, prosecutor for whitewater, said yesterday that it wasigation into who leaked that, from the d0] or the fbi. the fact that they are calling president trump a russian agent is preposterous. secondly, we do have a small group in leadership that has been discredited in the fbi, comey was fired, that was the president's constitutional right. we have andrew mccabe, who lied to congress three times... yeah, hang on, on the subject of comey, do you think it's acceptable for donald trump to calljames comey, with his distinguished record and career, "a dirty cop"? well, he certainly did not show best practices... he was... ..when he was fbi director. he was a director of the fbi, he had served the fbi loyally for years, he had served different presidents in differentjobs, always with outstanding success, and donald trump dismisses him as a "dirty bad cop." andrew card had problems with comey way back during bush a3. comey has shown in the past almost a willingness to be above best practices. the fact that he went to the press, exonerated hillary c

>> i worked on the whitewater investigation. it was so much narrower than this.lot. the big question has to do with how could this be held accountable? i think there's a debate whether you can indict a sitting president the doj is no. we have the question of whether this congress is going to go forward with an impeachment. i believe that is a political solution. at this point at least to determine whether impeachment is proper. at this point we don't see any movement in that direction. issues regarding witness tampering too is articles of impeachment. i think in a bipartisan level we are in that mode where it's time to start looking at this seriously. >> a week ago the president and his lawyer were praising the special counsel for slapping back that buzz feed report. today they are back to witch hunt. >> yes. and more concerned about how we knew to be at roger stone's home in florida, certainly that tweet calling this a witch hunt. i think what we have all seen here is mueller has been very meth methodical. >> thank you for being here. i'll post a live town hall

welcome robert ray, who has investigated the whitewater scandal and the white house travel controversym jefferson kill -- clinton. welcome back, bob -- bob, good to have you here. the memo that was written by bill barr specifically reflects obstruction of justice issues. he has now written a letter to lindsey graham saying that he thinks it should go forward. bob: to be clear, obstruction of justice as a criminal offense, not to say that bob mueller wouldn't have cause to investigate matters within this mandate that might be well of interest to the congress in a report determining whether or not it pays for a peaceful proceeding to begin. bill barr is talking exclusively about whether or not -- and i had commented about this at the time, how a president could have been deemed to commit instruction of justice regarding the fbi director personnel replacement. much broaderare issues that apparently bob mueller is taking a look at the go well beyond obstruction allegations. is there a danger that the other , couldght be surprised he say too much in committee? today he said it was inconceiv

i used to have to go to the different -- black and whitewater fountains and all that.ally ended up working for the government in d.c. so i'm a recipient of his actions. >> for the past month here in atlanta, many of the buildings that form the historic king park in atlanta have been closed to you to the federal shut down. thanks to an $83,000 grant from delta, the buildings and the museums and the visitor's center opened up on the eve of the holiday and stay open through the super bowl on february 3. of course, the holiday was not free from political jockeying. in south carolina, bernie sanders and cory booker attended mlk day events there. south carolina's primary, the first in the south, about aier away. dana, back to you. >> dana: thanks, steve. now to a heart warming story. some cancer patients at a children's hospital in texas with a very special request for a visit from justin timberlake. ♪ the good news is, he does. over the weekend, the famous pop star broke from his tour to make the surprise visit. the kids were so excited, they danced on their hospital beds a

that is because there wasn't anything around whitewater.hey had to go to the fact that he had this affair with an intern in the oval office. it's immoral but not illegal. mueller has turned over i'll lem activity around donald trump -- >> wait a minute. >> neil: i just want to explain this, christy. that clinton investigation from real estate land deals to obviously a relationship with an intern. the issue i raised for you, dan, is if this goes beyond the original finding russian collusion or anything like that, the business deals that might go back, you know, quite some time, decades even, this is more potentially than the time requested and might not be the full six months. might be extended. is there something else, right? >> well, that is complete conjecture. all we can do is guess. these convictions that she was mentioning, mostly have been for very low level people for lying to the fbi. not for any -- >> also paul manafort -- >> christy, manafort was about ukraine -- >> were 18 charges so something -- >> neil: what i'm asking is, this

joining me now, former independent counsel of the whitewater investigation.er of "contempt: a clinton investigation." i've got to say, as a recovering attorney and, myself, you have to comment on things as an attorney. you have to be very precise with your language because, especially in the situation, the stakes are very high. is there some method to rudy's madness and that commentary? >> rudy is very smart. he's very clever. but this seems a little bit odd to me. especially since the understanding has been that the president was running for the presidency, he was not pitching the deal or involved with michael cohen or anyone else in terms of pitching the deal. we just heard from don jr. that michael was out there on his own. we will sort all of this out. yeah, i was a little bit surprised about rudy's comment in terms of being hypothetical. you got to be absolutely sure of your facts. you are so right. you are not a recovering lawyer. you are a lawyer. and as a great lawyer, you full well know you've got to know the facts and be on top of them. rudy, i thin

. >> we had a special prosecutor for whitewater. now we're looking at monica lewinsky.ean, at what point do you stop? >> that's the way these independent-counsel things work. you're appointed to do "a," and you wind up to "z." >> we, as counsel for monica lewinsky, have reached an agreement today. >> the last person to talk to is president clinton. >> the blue dress made it impossible for the president to deny that he had had some sexual contact. >> indeed, i did have a relationship with ms. lewinsky that was not appropriate. >> i was heartbroken. >> i knew he was in real trouble. >> if you have substantial and credible evidence that may constitute grounds for an impeachment, you shall refer that to the house. >> ken starr decided we're going to submit the referral on september 9. >> and it was then up to the political process -- what do we do with the truth? ♪ ♪ [ crowd cheering ] >> the summer of 1998 saw baseball fans transfixed on the race between chicago cubs outfielder sammy sosa and mark mcgwire of the st. louis cardinals, both on track to potentially break the h

phil wisen berg, former deck director of whitewater, byron york for the political analysis, from the washington examiner, and fox news contributor. some one who's done more reporting than most people on the fafgts plan oat the russian investigation, saul. now, you read the indictment, tonight, what you just heard from one of roger stone's lawyers tells you what? >> well, he's acting like any good defense lawyer would act. i look at the indictment and obviously, if he really did, the strongest parts of the indictment are the allegations of lying directly to congress. the weakest part has to do with the so-called intimidation of one of the others who was testifying. i look at the indictment, all of these indictments that are for lying, it's not that lying isn't a serious crime, like you say, but in the grand scheme of things p you're looking at what is really being supposedly ultimately investigated, criminal conspiracy, there's a term of art in criminal defense world for these kinds of charges. it's two words, the first word is chicken and the last word ends in "it." that's what most

the whitewater investigated started with real estate and ended with an intern. what do you see this going? >> i think mueller is about to end his investigation. he will submit a record to the department of justice and then the department of justice will make a determination whether or not it becomes public. william barr will get this. it's a hot potato in his seat. it goes to him. the core investigation is whether there's collusion and cooperation. so far there's no evidence of that whatsoever. >> neil: but the house would pick and choose and then the senate. if they're so hot to trot to pursue. >> if they want an impeachment. >> neil: but nothing would indicate that for now. >> i don't see it. what may happen in the future is right here in manhattan in the southern district, there's other investigations going on, including matters involving cohen. will they take the lead in terms of those investigations. but mueller is at the end of his road. >> neil: so michael cohen, the president's former lawyer, he's in this unique situation where there were charges raised

suspicion aides were hiding documents about the clinton involvement in a failed arkansas deal called whitewateremed to be a small issue. the only way to get that out of the way it was if someone could investigate what actually happens. >> i'm not making any statements. ibility, and i accept that. the revolution was voters rendering the verdict.

congressional hearings were behind closed doors instead of in public as we saw in watergate and in whitewatera big fear i think on the part of the trump organization that mueller's going to write a report that's going to say that maybe there wasn't collusion, maybe there was collusion, but there certainly was receptivity on behalf of the campaign to all of these russian outreaches. they don't like that narrative one bit and they're going to try to fight it but i don't think they will be successful in the end, because i think that report is going to be made public by virtue of subpoenas from congress. >> okay. carrie, i wanted to ask you moving off of the mueller news, we were just discussing, if president trump declares this situation at the border and with the government shutdown a national emergency, if he actually does that, if it goes through the courts, what are the chances it gets totally hung up or succeeds? >> so there would be a process. the process that would take place is if he designates the national emergency, part of that designation has to include specific reference to actual s

remember, the whitewater investigation that had far less underlying material to work with took six yearse iran-contra investigation took eight years. mueller's been on the case for fewer than two years, and he's gotten impressive results with 37 indictments, 8 convictions. he's already achieved an awful lot. but for such a complex white-collar, criminal, and counterintelligence investigation to be concluded in fewer than two years, that's a very, very fast time. clearly as we're hearing that there's still more to be done, we should not confuse the notion that mueller is winding up with the spin trump will put on it, that he's about to give him a clean bill of health, that's a different matter. >> you want this report to become public. you say the trump administration should want it and the taxpayers, because we paid millions, everyone did. >> with respect to what max is saying, maybe it's only been two years, it feels like six. it's time, i think people think it's time to bring this investigation to a close. it's been two years, and by now mueller should have been able to find what he ha

attorney, former associate, independent counsel in the whitewater investigation, and law professor at the university of baltimore school of law, kim whaley. great to have you. is it illegal to make people work without pay? >> according to the federal court of claims under barack obama in 2013, they have to pay. so there actually has been a lawsuit brought in 2013 when the government shut down. workers not only got their pay, they got liquidated damages, which means they got a lot of additional money just for the fact the government should have done it because the court essentially said, even if the law requires you not to spend money that hasn't been appropriated, that doesn't give you the right to ignore the federal labor standards act, which does require nonexempt -- i mean, just to be clear, it's not all federal workers, but if you're a wage-earning worker, if you're not a salaried worker, then yes. >> and it does stop people from doing part-time work potentially if they could where they would get a faster paycheck. kim, how quickly will we see this lawsuit in court? >> well, i don

i want to bring and now robert ray, former whitewater independent counsel and former federal prosecutor. fingers being here >> great to be with you. >> harris: i want to get your thoughts on where rudy giuliani was last night. the campaign, the president, and then these renewed statements, remarks he made today. >> i think the first reaction i had is, in some sense, he may be bracing for bad news. i think it's anticipatory to further revelations from michael cohen, paul manafort, so on, and so forth. remember, he represents the president. he doesn't represent the campaign. he doesn't represent the white house or the administration or anything else. he does represent a client. his client is president trump. he is right to make the point, that the only thing he has a responsibility for us to defend the president against allegations that the president was involved as a candidate with regards to illegal activity. there is an emphatic denial. there always has been an emphatic denial. for the life of me i can't quite understand what the whole firestorm is. look -- is it desirable in the proce

. >> well, i mean, it's a lot cheaper than whitewater and shorter and more productive.ss yet. so we can't judge it. 33 indictments and guilty pleas and three corporations is not nothing along the way here. so there's a lot of evidence that something is going on here. i'm not going to speculate. we'll see what the report says. >> heather: holly, final word. >> again, as heather pointed out, we're supposed to be investigating collusion. none of those indictments are guilty pleas or have anything to do with collusion. it's mueller investigating people, not investigating crimes. that's where the american people have a hard time with what he's doing and lost trust in mueller. >> heather: and lost track on -- >> not according to the polls. >> heather: thank you. >> no according to the polls. >> heather: happy new year. >> you too. >> heather: let's talk about the new year and new laws which are taking effect today all around the country. we'll tell you where there's a new minimum wage and custody laws for your pets next. i can do more to lower my a1c. because my body can stil

i worked on the whitewater investigation. i think there are a lot of reasons that that should be kept completely confidential from the public because we could see the explosive response here. and it's possible the special counsel wanted to shore up its credibility. we don't leak. and i think the president's confirming thanks to the special counsel for doing this actually has that reactive response. i think the take away should be at this point in a world for lack of a better word fake news, the take away should be when it cops to the special counsel investigation and the justice department, if information is not coming out of the mouth of rod rosenstein at this point or mr. barr if he's confirmed or if it's not actually in written documents or statements to federal courts, we should all be quite careful about giving it credence because this is a special counsel that will unlike the white house, is absolutely impeccable with respect to the accuracy of the information it gives the american public and i there that is something t

we've also got the former whitewater prosecutor robert gray. nfl over the long call in the rams/saints. do you think he has a prayer? did you see what i just did there, do we have a prayer? two hours tomorrow it all for cable, we will see you tomorrow. >> dana: hello, dana perino, jesse watters greg gutfeld, and this is "the five." the senate passing a bill to reopen the government for three weeks and now heads to the house for a vote expected tonight. president trump announcing a deal two and 35 day partial government shutdown. the bill does not include wall funding but the president fails to keep fighting for it. it's >> mr. president: wall should not be controversial. that i

. >> harris: robert ray, former whitewater independent counsel and former federal prosecutors with meow. let me ask you about that first. a member of the senate judiciary committee and coauthor of the special counsel independence and integrity act, senator coons, says he is concerned about where the investigation goes now and will be looking especially hard at barr's hearing. >> that is why it's appropriate for them to leave once a new attorney general is sworn in, to make the announcement prior to the hearing. that was the appropriate course. by the way, the country owes a debt of gratitude to rod rosenstein. he is a friend, but he's also someone that the country, i think, has come to respect in his position. he presided over the recusal of an attorney general, the firing and hiring of an fbi director, and also come the most important to come of the appointment counsel. all of those things, he held together during tumultuous times at the deferment of justice. it's a significant event, but in the ordinary course, it would be expected that a new attorney general would have a new deputy

ken starr, former whitewater independent counsel, and author of the book "contempt: a memoir of the clintonestigation," is with me now. good to see. let's start with the movement of those notes. we know early in the administration there were phone calls that were leaked, that the president was having with leaders. so we understand the leaking that might have been going on, or that went on. what do you make of this meeting with russia, and they're not being notes? >> i think we need to know more, harris. in a nutshell. of course they should not be made public. there should be a senate inquiry into that. we will learn more. this is the president's prerogative. the president of the united states is elected to handle the foreign policy of the united states. obviously, there is a congressional oversight function. so this is his determination. if there is some suggestion of something inappropriate, improper, whatever, then that raises a very different question. but we haven't heard that. we just heard, in very general terms and now the report that we just heard, that there were other people in th

imagine david kendall, who's the williams and connolly lawyer who represented bill clinton in the whitewaternica lewinsky matter, coming out on television or in an interview with "the new yorker" and saying, actually, yeah, you know, he did have sex with that woman, miss lewinsky. you know, or i heard the tapes. then had to come out and say, actually, i didn't mean tapes, and by the way, if i seem to admit something, that's an unimaginable thing. that's the same role that rudy giuliani is apparently in with respect to this president. so most people can't even name george bush's lawyer, either george bush lawyer, or who represented ronald reagan in the iran contra matter. that's the way the president's lawyers should be engaging. >> on that point, and this is the last point. rudy giuliani was asked about his legacy and what he thinks might be -- what he thinks it might be once this is all over. he said, i'm afraid it will be on my gravestone, rudy giuliani, he lied for trump. >> a rare moment of self-awareness. >> is he admitting he lies for trump? >> well, he's at least admitting that people

robert ray is a former whitewater independent counsel and former federal prosecutor. having you want to break these things down. let's begin with the basics here, and whether what dershowitz is looking at, what some call process crimes -- would you make of it? >> has a point about that. they are processed truthful statements, obstruction of justice, and perjury. ordinarily, prosecutors charge those crimes in conjunction with what person was lying about or obstructing about, and is with the other about is a violation of law itself? we should be the core of the mandate. so we are talking about ancillary crimes, which doesn't mean they are any less important. but they are ancillary to the core mandate that robert mueller was appointed to investigate. i think what people should be more concerned about is an endless investigation that doesn't ultimately get us to the objective. in other words, process crimes are just a means toward an end. the core of the mandate is, was their illegal activity in connection with the term campaign relative could tell mike to collusion and c

neil: walter ray, former whitewater counsel. the president wants the border wall and some democrats are not inclined to go along with that. but the mainstream media's push that he caved or blinked, some kind according to a well-known historian that can work in their favor. doris kearnes goodwin after this. our goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. we live like no one's watching, ♪ laugh like there's no tomorrow... ♪ ...and welcome you... ...to do the same. ♪ the united states virgin islands. the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a few years old or dinosaur old, we want to bu

investigation of the whitewater matter and monica lewinsky was not much shorter than the walsh investigation of iran-contra. the charges that mr. mueller has been charged with investigating, the allegations are extremely complicated. these types of investigations take time. i think there is every reason for the american people to have confidence based on everything that has been reported in the press on this investigation and based on mr. mueller's long-standing reputation for inflexible integrity to believe that this investigation is being conducted in a responsible fashion. trump, joe might be interested in the testimony that mr. trump's own attorney general nominee william barr offered about mr. mueller's reputation and about his personal integrity. s suggestion gets it exactly right, that the american people vitally need a credible resolution to these allegations. it might seem like investigation has been going on a long time, but it is a complex matter. by historical standards, this is on the shorter side. host: joe is one of our most loyal viewers and listeners. he phones in every 30 d