about the treatment of refugees in europe but how they treated around the globe joining me now is dr nick martin the award winning whistleblower who exposed what he calls crimes against humanity at australia's privately run guantanamo of refugees nic thanks for coming on the show congratulations on winning an award following in the footsteps of chelsea manning john kerry aku of course kiriakou went to jail chelsea manning was tortured how difficult was it to make a decision to blow the whistle. at first it was quite difficult because i was worried about my livelihood and i was worried about prosecution but then the increasingly when i thought about it i figured i had no choice really morally it was absolutely necessary to speak after he could have been jailed even for keeping a diary about the island of no rue whiteley's in his will straight is going tom well what did you see there that people wanted you to keep quiet about i think the biggest thing i saw was the absolute despair of the refugees who have being held in a room in indefinite status what is now really because people want to live ano