you worked closely with john doerr. interesting because kleiner is one of the more storied venture capital firms, but was also sued for gender discrimination by ellen pao. what was your experience at kleiner like? aileen: growing up in tech and venture capital when you are the only woman around the table is not easy. and you see and experience a lot of things that by legal definitions are not legal. and people choose to handle it in different ways. emily: ellen lost her case in court, but do you think she should have won? aileen: i was surprised she did not win on one of them. that is all i will say. emily: what made you decide to leave kleiner? i know you suggested investing in uber, and they were not interested at the time. there were moments where you had ideas and they did not listen. aileen: some good friends of mine are entrepreneurs. they are always thinking about startups. they knew my firm and me and said, when we you leave to start your own firm? it had not crossed my mind i could do that. it had not crossed m