kramer. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and i'm honored to be on the committee. and i want to follow-up with what senator kennedy is talking about, because maybe there is more to it than simply a linear number and i suspect there is. but let's go to the next step. let's say that we were able to refer form our process so that we could institutionalize a prohibition, if you will, basically on any future government shutdowns. would there be a way to score that, the value of that, of never having to worry about one again? not just of federal workers who would be guaranteed a paycheck, you know but the economy that requires and depends on those government services to keep rolling along. would there be some way to at a value to that? >> that would be a challenging estimate. we would struggle with that. >> i'll bet it would be. because it seems to me, as we talk about all these pieces of this formula, that economic growth is the one we have had some, that we have been fairly good at. it also seems to me that the economy grows, there should be less need for government, n